first of all it was propheciced, jeremaia i think. 30 is 10 x 3, meaning breaking all commandments against the trinity?? i have no clue, i'm making things up, but its a nice theory :D
3 is a very important and significant number in our religion for what it represents.
The 30 is 10 lots for each of the 3. It may not be right but it is my belief that 10 represents the maximum number that can be seen by humnas (fingers). Therefore the maximum for each of the 3 (Father, SOn and Holly Spirt).
[quote author=Hos Erof link=board=1;threadid=2087;start=0#msg32380 date=1121374981] first of all it was propheciced, jeremaia i think. 30 is 10 x 3, meaning breaking all commandments against the trinity?? i have no clue, i'm making things up, but its a nice theory :D
BTW Matt, I dont think anyone thought about finding if ur statemnt is 100% yet like with Backup verses or so..., lol, although thats pretty good thinkinng...lol
Love the exchange rate..........LOL I guess if you ask a Yank they'll probably tell you that they had US Dollars there then - after all they have the saying "In God We Thrust".
On a serious note, you have touched on a very interesting topic that I have yet to raise at this web site. Its forseeing the FUTURE.
You probably share the same view that the concept of time is nothing to God for he certainly had shown this to Jesus at the end and also Jesus fortold Peter about his 3 deniles. As the Bible is the perfect book and Jesus's story is the most perfect story as designed by God with no stone unturned (such as the birth, life, resorection, numbers, etc...), so what is to become of these people that played a negative part in the Bible? I mean look at poor old Judas, somebody had to play his part. So what happens to the likes of him and say the Jewish High Priest? These people had to be there. The have to play a negative role/part. Without them there would be perhaps a lessor story, etc...? So do we condem them for a story created by God, directed by God and controlled by God? If you had to play a murder in a move, would you expect the writer, producer (and more importantly your creator) and director to send you to prison (or death sentence) for playing such a part (murder)? Perhaps given the choice many of us would rather play roles such as Peter, Paul etc....?
Comments please (and no bashing with Orthdox Bibles etc...).
This was prophesied about the Christ from the Old Testament in the book of Zechariah 11:12 "Then I said to them, If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain. So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver."
"Zechariah doesn't mention the purchase of the field or the appointment to buy a field. Jeremiah doesn't say anything about the betrayal, but does state that the Lord appointed him to buy a field (Jer. 32:6-8). Jeremiah also doesn't mention the other details connected with the purchase of this potter's field-that it was to be bought for 30 pieces of silver, the price of Him that was valued (Matt. 27:9), or that this money would be cast into the Temple (Matt. 27:5). Zechariah added these details. From :http://www.fellowshiponline.org/biblestudies/matthew_27.htm
Also I found this interesting info; "According to John of Hildesheim, Melchior, the "smallest in stature," brought gold as his offering - including the treasure of Alexander the Great and "all the ornaments that the Queen of Saba [ShebaJ offered in Solomon's temple." Among Alexander's treasures was a golden apple and 30 pieces of money, gathered as tribute from all over the world. These, according to tradition, were the "30 pieces of silver" for which Christ at last was betrayed." From: http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/198006/we.three.kings.of.orient.were.htm
You probably share the same view that the concept of time is nothing to God for he certainly had shown this to Jesus at the end and also Jesus fortold Peter about his 3 deniles
Of course I do not, or any Orthodox member of this website, share this opinion with you.
Your view about Our Lord Jesus Christ as someone who is separated from God, is not Omniscience, and not One with God from eternity. That is a heresy which is defended and condemned long time ago by the whole Orthodox Church. If anyone has such view about our Lord, he is not the least Christian.
8: Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied." 9: Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, `Show us the Father'? 10: Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. John :14
As the Bible is the perfect book and Jesus's story is the most perfect story as designed by God with no stone unturned (such as the birth, life, resorection, numbers, etc...), so what is to become of these people that played a negative part in the Bible? I mean look at poor old Judas, somebody had to play his part. So what happens to the likes of him and say the Jewish High Priest? These people had to be there.
The Holy Bible is not a story created by God the Almighty, I would have hoped you were spoken of Him of more respectable way. The Bible is recording to us the plan of salvation of man as foreknown by God.
Judas and the High Priest were not given a negative role to play in the story, as you said, but they were a sinner, who they have chosen by their own free will to conspire against the Lord.
If your logic is correct, then the people who conspired against the Lord are good people deceived by God, far be it from the truth!!!!
I leave you with this verse :
“Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness.” James 3:i
To Safaa: A little less agression and respect for other's views is important - lets face it we are not Islamic or living in an Isalmic state.
If I wanted to know about my faith I would have consulted the good book and also my priest who has known 4 generation in my family - in addition to Priests and Nuns that are also blood relations.
I never said that Jesus is separate from God - You did and also you assumed incorrectly.
I never said that the Bible is a story - once again you'll see that you have said this and assumed incorrectly (please check my text and yours - especially yours).
I am fully aware that I shall not cast the 1st stone and that I will be judged by the good Lord.
Your response has not answered my question/scenario which was designed to encourage constructive conversation and thinking. Instead you have misread what I have said, assumed incorrectly, jumped to false conclusions and started bashing me with a Bible.
A bit of friendly advice, when reading something, look at an "object" (example could be concept of "time") and attempt to answer this with historic situations and facts. As for reciting scriptures I can find these. I need thinkers not reciters for the Devil can recite any scripture to suit the occassion.
for he certainly had shown this to Jesus at the end
The Knowledge is known by the Three Persons of Good, no person of the Trinity had to tell the other. This is to undermined the Ones of the Three Hypostasis. This is wrong my friend, whether you did it intentionally or not, God knows.
Someone had to confront this issue, so that no one of our innocent teenager propagated this again.
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30 is 10 x 3, meaning breaking all commandments against the trinity?? i have no clue, i'm making things up, but its a nice theory :D
3 is a very important and significant number in our religion for what it represents.
The 30 is 10 lots for each of the 3. It may not be right but it is my belief that 10 represents the maximum number that can be seen by humnas (fingers). Therefore the maximum for each of the 3 (Father, SOn and Holly Spirt).
I think we are in agreemnt on this.
joseph's brothers betrayed him just like judas betrayed jesus
remember jesus was showing the future through joseph
first of all it was propheciced, jeremaia i think.
30 is 10 x 3, meaning breaking all commandments against the trinity?? i have no clue, i'm making things up, but its a nice theory :D
BTW Matt, I dont think anyone thought about finding if ur statemnt is 100% yet like with Backup verses or so..., lol, although thats pretty good thinkinng...lol
GBU
On a serious note, you have touched on a very interesting topic that I have yet to raise at this web site. Its forseeing the FUTURE.
You probably share the same view that the concept of time is nothing to God for he certainly had shown this to Jesus at the end and also Jesus fortold Peter about his 3 deniles. As the Bible is the perfect book and Jesus's story is the most perfect story as designed by God with no stone unturned (such as the birth, life, resorection, numbers, etc...), so what is to become of these people that played a negative part in the Bible? I mean look at poor old Judas, somebody had to play his part. So what happens to the likes of him and say the Jewish High Priest? These people had to be there. The have to play a negative role/part. Without them there would be perhaps a lessor story, etc...? So do we condem them for a story created by God, directed by God and controlled by God? If you had to play a murder in a move, would you expect the writer, producer (and more importantly your creator) and director to send you to prison (or death sentence) for playing such a part (murder)? Perhaps given the choice many of us would rather play roles such as Peter, Paul etc....?
Comments please (and no bashing with Orthdox Bibles etc...).
"Zechariah doesn't mention the purchase of the field or the appointment to buy a field. Jeremiah doesn't say anything about the betrayal, but does state that the Lord appointed him to buy a field (Jer. 32:6-8). Jeremiah also doesn't mention the other details connected with the purchase of this potter's field-that it was to be bought for 30 pieces of silver, the price of Him that was valued (Matt. 27:9), or that this money would be cast into the Temple (Matt. 27:5). Zechariah added these details.
From :http://www.fellowshiponline.org/biblestudies/matthew_27.htm
Also I found this interesting info; "According to John of Hildesheim, Melchior, the "smallest in stature," brought gold as his offering - including the treasure of Alexander the Great and "all the ornaments that the Queen of Saba [ShebaJ offered in Solomon's temple." Among Alexander's treasures was a golden apple and 30 pieces of money, gathered as tribute from all over the world. These, according to tradition, were the "30 pieces of silver" for which Christ at last was betrayed." From: http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/198006/we.three.kings.of.orient.were.htm
Your view about Our Lord Jesus Christ as someone who is separated from God, is not Omniscience, and not One with God from eternity. That is a heresy which is defended and condemned long time ago by the whole Orthodox Church. If anyone has such view about our Lord, he is not the least Christian.
8: Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied."
9: Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, `Show us the Father'?
10: Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. John :14 The Holy Bible is not a story created by God the Almighty, I would have hoped you were spoken of Him of more respectable way. The Bible is recording to us the plan of salvation of man as foreknown by God.
Judas and the High Priest were not given a negative role to play in the story, as you said, but they were a sinner, who they have chosen by their own free will to conspire against the Lord.
If your logic is correct, then the people who conspired against the Lord are good people deceived by God, far be it from the truth!!!!
I leave you with this verse :
“Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness.” James 3:i
A little less agression and respect for other's views is important - lets face it we are not Islamic or living in an Isalmic state.
If I wanted to know about my faith I would have consulted the good book and also my priest who has known 4 generation in my family - in addition to Priests and Nuns that are also blood relations.
I never said that Jesus is separate from God - You did and also you assumed incorrectly.
I never said that the Bible is a story - once again you'll see that you have said this and assumed incorrectly (please check my text and yours - especially yours).
I am fully aware that I shall not cast the 1st stone and that I will be judged by the good Lord.
Your response has not answered my question/scenario which was designed to encourage constructive conversation and thinking. Instead you have misread what I have said, assumed incorrectly, jumped to false conclusions and started bashing me with a Bible.
A bit of friendly advice, when reading something, look at an "object" (example could be concept of "time") and attempt to answer this with historic situations and facts. As for reciting scriptures I can find these. I need thinkers not reciters for the Devil can recite any scripture to suit the occassion.
Did you not write this statement? The Knowledge is known by the Three Persons of Good, no person of the Trinity had to tell the other. This is to undermined the Ones of the Three Hypostasis. This is wrong my friend, whether you did it intentionally or not, God knows.
Someone had to confront this issue, so that no one of our innocent teenager propagated this again.
To clarify the matter, God did show Jesus what was going to happen to him for Jesus relayed this to the likes of Judas (betrayal) and Peter (Denyial).
If you want to say that you are right and somehow I am wrong then I'll let you win for I like to make peace and am known to turn the other cheak.
However, YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY PREVIOUS QUESTIONS.
All you have sone is have a dig (TWICE NOW).
Will you know answer questions relating to:
(a) Concept of "Time" within the Bible.
(b) Why 30?
(c) And ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Dose Jesus need God to tell Him anything????