Deacons service book

abanoub2000

Hay i was thinking about ordering a deacons service book (khedmit el shamac) and i was wondering which one you'd recommend and i'd like one with a psalmody.


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christ_rose

u can get the big book by albair mikhail its very nice the new edition is great

abanoub2000

my dad has it, but i cant read arabic :(

jydeacon

If you can read arabic, albeir's book is good but no khedmit el shamas has a psalmody in it. The Southern Diocese has been working on one for a while that has all 3 languages, should be as good or better than albeirs

abanoub2000

[quote author=jydeacon link=topic=7237.msg95975#msg95975 date=1224544257]
If you can read arabic, albeir's book is good but no khedmit el shamas has a psalmody in it. The Southern Diocese has been working on one for a while that has all 3 languages, should be as good or better than albeirs


any idea when it will be released?

jydeacon

Well they say it was sent to the printing press a while back so God willing within the next year or so

abanoub2000

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Well they say it was sent to the printing press a while back so God willing within the next year or so


great! any other suggestions?

minatasgeel

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my dad has it, but i cant read arabic :(


you can get the muallem Farag one for now...yes it's arabic, but it's easy to follow....atleast until the southern's diocese books comes out.
Albair's book is just tooo bug for nothing....it's have everything, including doxologies and verses of cymbals and many madaieh, but to me that's not really that important. because for doxologies and verses of cymbals, you have the Psalmody, for madaieh, you have madaieh book. so putting all of that is one book is just taking worthless space to just fill a book....so it's all business....

also i would never use Albair's book as a primary source.....sorry, but that's just ME....the sinful and weak.

coptic pharoah

lol, i have it... its HUGE... (perhaps huge is an understatement) its super heavy too... i personally can't see any deacon standing n Church with the new one....

abanoub2000

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[quote author=abanoub2000 link=topic=7237.msg95974#msg95974 date=1224544190]
my dad has it, but i cant read arabic :(


you can get the muallem Farag one for now...yes it's arabic, but it's easy to follow....atleast until the southern's diocese books comes out.
Albair's book is just tooo bug for nothing....it's have everything, including doxologies and verses of cymbals and many madaieh, but to me that's not really that important. because for doxologies and verses of cymbals, you have the Psalmody, for madaieh, you have madaieh book. so putting all of that is one book is just taking worthless space to just fill a book....so it's all business....

also i would never use Albair's book as a primary source.....sorry, but that's just ME....the sinful and weak.


Do you know if i can order it online?

Christforlife7

http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/khedmitel-shamasserviceofdeacons2ndedition.aspx

markoc pi apostolo

where can i get muallem farag's book>

jydeacon

Mahaba bookshop in egypt

abanoub2000

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http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/khedmitel-shamasserviceofdeacons2ndedition.aspx


sankis betar but it is arabic!

coptic pharoah

I have that same one... a friend got it for me from Deir El Baramos i believe (it came in a Deir el Baramos bag... )

Archdeacon

The point of Albair's book is for use as a reference, not for you to hold it and use it in church.  That's why he puts EVERYTHING, even the old hymns that nobody knows or whose tunes have died out.  The only reason for putting them in there is to preserve the text of the hymn.  A book that size is definitely not intended to be used in church when singing hymns.  Personally, I like to memorize everything so that in church I don't have to hold any book.  It's just easier for me, but that's just my opinion.

coptic pharoah

good point... i guess it is just a reference for Alhan, not intended to be used in everyday Church activity....

user00

Mina Girgis, I'm just curious, but why don't you trust Albair's book? For all I've been taught, it's the most accurate hymns book out there. That's how I've always regarded it. And I listened to a great interview with Albair on copticheritage.org and he seems to be extremely knowledge. So I'm just curious, what are your reasons for not trusting the book?

minatasgeel

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Mina Girgis, I'm just curious, but why don't you trust Albair's book? For all I've been taught, it's the most accurate hymns book out there. That's how I've always regarded it. And I listened to a great interview with Albair on copticheritage.org and he seems to be extremely knowledge. So I'm just curious, what are your reasons for not trusting the book?


i am not against Albair or what he knows. I know he's a great leader and he leads a great choir.....it's just am a more of conservative person. i take the original sources to be my primary source in everything. if i can't, then i go for what's available. i have the 1st edition and waiting for the second.....but that doesn't mean i'll leave all of my other books (and i i do have some other ones).....and FULLY, with blinded eyes just follow this!!!!

also i have spoke to him before,spoke to ppl from the chorus before, many would be reading this right now......and i some times i feel like this is being taken more of a "business" rather then a full service.....this is of course not CLEAR for everyone and i am not planning to talk about this to not hurt anyone.....it's just my own opinion....i have the right to keep it.

btw, he edited some of the glorification parts that are greek....to maybe make sense.....i havn't read them yet in the new edition....but personally i don't like that move...

christ_rose

i agree with mina i bought all of the HCOC cds from their site and i bought their first edition book a while back and i like albair and he knows very much but when it comes to certain hymns or ertain things u want to learn stick to ur sources then check wats available. and yeh i dont like it when things get changed around according to waht a person thinks

gergesezzat

Albair's book is good except for Coptic-Arabic letter!, only if it use Coptic letter in Coptic and Arabic translation in Arabic letter.
personally I don't like Coptic-Arabic letter at all.

minatasgeel

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Albair's book is good except for Coptic-Arabic letter!, only if it use Coptic letter in Coptic and Arabic translation in Arabic letter.
personally I don't like Coptic-Arabic letter at all.


well it's just a concept we have to deal with for those who don't know how to read coptic. same to english-coptic.

i personally only use it for the purpose of teaching kids hymns, only until they take the classes to read coptic, or for visitors who really can't read coptic and have never heard it.

abanoub2000

http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/coptichymns-1.aspx

i was thinking about getting this one until the one with 3 languages comes out, what do you think?

coptic pharoah

i think i sae that one at my Church.... its all hymns i think... like no Rites or anything... i am not too sure though....

minatasgeel

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i think i sae that one at my Church.... its all hymns i think... like no Rites or anything... i am not too sure though....


not ALL the hymns are there....

user00

I have the brown book... it has quite a few errors and missing hymns...

It's ok, not great

Instead, you might want to try this one:
http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/thedeaconsserviceandthevespersandmatinsprayers.aspx

abanoub2000

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I have the brown book... it has quite a few errors and missing hymns...

It's ok, not great

Instead, you might want to try this one:
http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/thedeaconsserviceandthevespersandmatinsprayers.aspx


that one looks good, so is this one english and coptic?

user00

I'm positive it has English and Coptic, I think it has Arabic, and it might even have Coptic written in English...

LondonCopt

As far as i know, the little brown one has English, Coptic and Coptic written in English. No Arabic as far as I know. Has most hymns in it, no real rites. I really like it; small and easy to use in church.

Matthew