Does anyone know of a liturgy in English/Coptic that is conducted during the Holy 50 days? We are beginner deacons trying to learn as much as possible, and none of us know how they go. Unfortunately we have to lead the liturgy, and there is nobody here to help us.
Thank You and Pi Ekhristos Aftonf!
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Liturgy begins normally with offering
Alleluia Fai Pe Pi
Everything is farahi
Taishori
Hiten for Saint Mary
" for Archangel Michael (Resurrection one)
" Heavenly
" Apostles
" Saint Mark
" Joseph, Nicodemus and Mary Magdelene
Acts response is Shere Tef Anstasees (Changes after Ascension)
Then after the Acts, O nim nai is said
Then Ya Kol al Sefof
Then Khristso anestee (long then short)
Then if time, Ton Seena and then Tolitho
Then Pachois
Then All 3 agios are for resurrection
Psalm and Gospel Response for Resurrection
Then liturgy proceeds the same until Psalm 150 were festive tune with the Resurrection response.
Hope this helped!
Does anyone chant Tin Anastasin at their church?
we said it a couple of times.
Does anyone chant Tin Anastasin at their church?
Nope, unfortunately. I'm in love with that hymn.
What is the correct term for the "Holy 50 days after Ressurection"? In Arabic, it is just "El-khamsin," meaning "The fifty." Is there a word for it in English?
Not that difficult.
Liturgy begins normally with offering
Alleluia Fai Pe Pi
Everything is farahi
Taishori
Hiten for Saint Mary
" for Archangel Michael (Resurrection one)
" Heavenly
" Apostles
" Saint Mark
" Joseph, Nicodemus and Mary Magdelene
Acts response is Shere Tef Anstasees (Changes after Ascension)
Then after the Acts, O nim nai is said
Then Ya Kol al Sefof
Then Khristso anestee (long then short)
Then if time, Ton Seena and then Tolitho
Then Pachois
Then All 3 agios are for resurrection
Psalm and Gospel Response for Resurrection
Then liturgy proceeds the same until Psalm 150 were festive tune with the Resurrection response.
Hope this helped!
This is a good list, but allow me to add:
-There is no Synaxarium reading. You would start chanting "O nim nai" immediately after the Acts.
- After "Ya kol al sefoof," the priest and deacons do a procession around the
altar 3 times, around the church 3 times and finally around the altar once.
It is truly a beautiful hymn :) Did Ibrahim Ayad introduce it or have other cantors as well? I haven't heard any other recordings.
oh no.......we have an old recoding from a cantor in Alex......actually i am really REALY sure it was Ibrahim Ayad's source too because it's exactly the same.
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Tin anastasin is one of the new hymns added recently.
hehe, read ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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What is the correct term for the "Holy 50 days after Ressurection"? In Arabic, it is just "El-khamsin," meaning "The fifty." Is there a word for it in English?
"The Holy Fifty days" or "the Holy Fifties"....both are acceptable...
So minatasgeel how old is Tin anastasin? I certainly have not found it in the manuscripts.
well when you [put] it that way; when you compare it with many of the other hymns we have, it is considered that.
it is one of the hymns that were brought in from the greek church during the time of Pope Kerrelos Abou-el-eslah. it's as old as E-parthenos, ton sina, to-litho,
Our Church is almost 2000 years old so 100 or 200 years is recent in comparison :D
In fact in Coptic hymnology, the vereses of cymbals are considered recent for they were not know before late 1700's !!!!
Thanks Minatasgeel
Our Church is almost 2000 years old so 100 or 200 years is recent in comparison :D
most of the time when i speak about hymns, i consider actual physical recordings of hymns rather than the history of the hymns (which we know very little about)
If a graph was drawn of age and quantity do we have any idea what it should look like?
Does anyone chant Tin Anastasin at their church?
Yes, we do. It is a really nice hymn!
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Not that difficult.
Liturgy begins normally with offering
Alleluia Fai Pe Pi
Everything is farahi
Taishori
Hiten for Saint Mary
" for Archangel Michael (Resurrection one)
" Heavenly
" Apostles
" Saint Mark
" Joseph, Nicodemus and Mary Magdelene
Acts response is Shere Tef Anstasees (Changes after Ascension)
Then after the Acts, O nim nai is said
Then Ya Kol al Sefof
Then Khristso anestee (long then short)
Then if time, Ton Seena and then Tolitho
Then Pachois
Then All 3 agios are for resurrection
Psalm and Gospel Response for Resurrection
Then liturgy proceeds the same until Psalm 150 were festive tune with the Resurrection response.
Hope this helped!
This is a good list, but allow me to add:
-There is no Synaxarium reading. You would start chanting "O nim nai" immediately after the Acts.
- After "Ya kol al sefoof," the priest and deacons do a procession around the
altar 3 times, around the church 3 times and finally around the altar once.
Might I add also the exposition "Chiowini" then the gospel response.
Might I add also the exposition "Chiowini" then the gospel response.
ONLY on the feast liturgy and not the fifties days.
There are around 330 authentic hymns in the Coptic Church that date back to the 12th century.
The bulk of the recent hymns were added in the mid 1800's as part of the Melekite-Copts unification. These include the resurrection hymns, and few hymns for St. Mary.
Some of the hymns got shortened and new ones were added. Others got mixed up together. Some responses and most of the canons said at the end of the services are not used anymore.
Are you sure tin anastasin is as old as the 19th century? I doubt it... I guess it's more recent than that actually.
Dear imikhail,
Is there a link to these manuscripts online? I'd be very interested to read about the changes to the collections of hymns at different stages. Also correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Ekhrestos anesty is much older than ton sina, and tolitho, is that right?
Oujai
Oujai
I have written some things at www.stpaulatlanta.org.
Pray that I have the time to write more.
Thanks
God bless your service and efforts and keep us in your prayers.
Ekhrestos anesty
Oujai
Dear Mina,
Are you sure tin anastasin is as old as the 19th century? I doubt it... I guess it's more recent than that actually.
Dear imikhail,
Is there a link to these manuscripts online? I'd be very interested to read about the changes to the collections of hymns at different stages. Also correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Ekhrestos anesty is much older than ton sina, and tolitho, is that right?
Oujai
it is as old as e-parthenos, ton sina, to litho....all those greek hymns came into the church together and were tuned (into coptic) together. you can see that from what's written in Gam'eiet nahdet el-kanaies khidmit shamas.
Thanks Mina, very good point.
Oujai