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drinking wine
a few questions
1. is it wrong to drink the wine that is used for communion (manischewitz)?
2. if it is right to drink the wine, it is alright to drink other wines like for a wedding for dinner?
3. if it is right to drink all wines without abusing, what about drinking beer without abusing?
1. is it wrong to drink the wine that is used for communion (manischewitz)?
2. if it is right to drink the wine, it is alright to drink other wines like for a wedding for dinner?
3. if it is right to drink all wines without abusing, what about drinking beer without abusing?
Comments
2. It is not right to drink wine, it is ok in moderation. That applies to any occasion and any wine. So long as you don't get drunk.
3. Yes. Yes.
---That said, you have to ask yourself why would you drink beer at all without abusing it? It tastes awful. It differs from wine in that wine might actually taste good and go well with dinner. . .
That's just my opinion on this whole topic. I didn't cite any scripture or patristic writings so my words are definitely fallible.
With all due respect though, we don't follow our opinions we follow the church.
That said could someone find out what the church says about this. Because I went to about 4 different priest and they all said different things
It is not wrong to drink, being of the legal age. But it is wrong to get drunk and become intoxicated to the point of losing one's mental state.
'Love, and do what you will.' -St. Augustine
+ Irini nem ehmot,
'Love, and do what you will.' -St. Augustine
Very true.
However, I always heard it as - "Love God, and do what you will"
No. The quote does not have the word 'God' in it, though it certainly is implied.
http://www.frantonios.org.au/2010/07/07/whats-wrong-with-alcohol/
It brings up some good points, you cannot deny that even if you disagree.
A man asked him if it was a sin to use wine as the blood of Christ? The monk took a good 2 minutes in silence thinking. In the end, his answer was that it is not right and it is not wrong.
As for the question on if it is ok to drink in moderation, I would have to say that there is no right or wrong answer. Would you ever see Abouna drinking (outside of church). on the other hand, the Bible never says it a sin to drink. It a sin to be drunk.
So, pretty much, I would have to say there is neither right or wrong answer. (if that helps) lol :)
As for drinking alcohol, like the others said, its with moderation...remember we are not muslim! If we ban alcohol alltogether we should also ban pork.
Also remember that Christ blessed the wine at the wedding of Cana in Galilee when the people at the wedding reception had already drunk some wine. Not that He is advocating to drink at all, but that we must use our own discretion and common sense...only thing is that "common sense isnt that common" :)
That makes no sense whatsoever.
"It is a mistake to think that Christians ought all to be teetotallers; Mohammedanism, not Christianity, is the teetotal religion. Of course it may be the duty of a particular Christian, or of any Christian, at a particular time, to abstain from strong drink, either because he is the sort of man who cannot drink at all without drinking too much, or because he is with people who are incline to drunkenness and must not encourage them by drinking himself. But the whole point is that he is abstaining, for a good reason, from something he does not condemn and which he likes to see other people enjoying."
[quote author=Coptic Soldier link=topic=12490.msg147032#msg147032 date=1320297715]
Written by C.S. Lewis which is the perfect answer to your question. It is, I think the true orthodox view on alcohol.
"It is a mistake to think that Christians ought all to be teetotallers; Mohammedanism, not Christianity, is the teetotal religion. Of course it may be the duty of a particular Christian, or of any Christian, at a particular time, to abstain from strong drink, either because he is the sort of man who cannot drink at all without drinking too much, or because he is with people who are incline to drunkenness and must not encourage them by drinking himself. But the whole point is that he is abstaining, for a good reason, from something he does not condemn and which he likes to see other people enjoying."
C.S. Lewis is one of the greatest modern Christian apologists. I love his writings. Is that taken from Mere Christianity?
+ Irini nem ehmot,
[quote author=Coptic Soldier link=topic=12490.msg147032#msg147032 date=1320297715]
Written by C.S. Lewis which is the perfect answer to your question. It is, I think the true orthodox view on alcohol.
"It is a mistake to think that Christians ought all to be teetotallers; Mohammedanism, not Christianity, is the teetotal religion. Of course it may be the duty of a particular Christian, or of any Christian, at a particular time, to abstain from strong drink, either because he is the sort of man who cannot drink at all without drinking too much, or because he is with people who are incline to drunkenness and must not encourage them by drinking himself. But the whole point is that he is abstaining, for a good reason, from something he does not condemn and which he likes to see other people enjoying."
C.S. Lewis is one of the greatest modern Christian apologists. I love his writings. Is that taken from Mere Christianity?
Correct. The greatest book ever written in my opinion.
So I have no quotes, but I'm just going to throw in some thoughts. I don't believe that it is wrong to drink wine. As for drinking the kind of wine used in Church, I personally wouldn't recommend it. It is obviously not a sin, nor will it ever be, its just that, if you are having a good drink with your friends at home, and hanging out, in a lax scene, the taste if the wine may associate itself with this scene (psychologists, correct me if I'm wrong). So I personally wouldn't drink that kind, just so I can reserve the taste for something special, and not have any relation between the time of Communion and the time of relaxing. In the monastery this past year, I was in charge of making the wine in the winery. I spent most of my time in the winery alone. When taking communion I was reminded of all the emotions I felt in that room. But this changes for every person.
Im kind of scared to post this seeing as there are no quotes or anything, but I claim ignorance and claim that I may very well not know anything that I am saying. Its just some ideas, and I am open to any ideas for or against.
Forgive the ignorance
ReturnOrthodoxy
(with me it happens after no glasses!)
;)
as for communion wine, i know what type was used in my previous church and i would never drink that type outside of church, like returnorthodoxy said, u could easily confuse the feelings of drinking for pleasure with Holy Communion, and i don't feel the need to mess with my brain. it's scrambled enough as it is!
in exodus, the jews were told not to use the same perfume as the anointing oil, and not to burn incense of the same mix as the temple incense, and i think this is for the same principle.