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Ibn Kabar's book

RemnkemiRemnkemi
edited December 1969 in Coptic Orthodox Church
Does anybody have Mizbah al zolma by Abu al-Barakat Ibn Kabar in Arabic? I know there is an English version online that has chapters 1-4 of book 1. I'm looking for the remaining chapters. Does anybody have a pdf version of the Arabic text (either Samir Khalil's 1972 version or Bishop Samuel's 1992 version)?

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  • epchois_nai_nanepchois_nai_nan
    I don't have an answer but would you mind posting the link to the English version? I'd love to read it :)

    Thanks,
    God bless
  • John_S2000John_S2000
    I've found few links:

    http://copticlibrary.t35.com/takses/mosbah/1.htm
    I haven't checked the online availability of all the book's pages.
    (click the rt arrow to turn pages, there are few blank separator pages)

    Online store:
    http://copticbook.com/product.php?id_product=365

    Bibliography info:
    http://st-takla.org/Saints/Coptic-Orthodox-Saints-Biography/Coptic-Saints-Story_50.html
    and
    http://www.coptichistory.org/new_page_1456.htm

    Please tell me whether these were useful or not.

    GBU
  • geomike
    [quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=11514.msg138752#msg138752 date=1306790047]
    I've found few links:

    http://copticlibrary.t35.com/takses/mosbah/1.htm
    I haven't checked the online availability of all the book's pages.
    (click the rt arrow to turn pages, there are few blank separator pages)

    Online store:
    http://copticbook.com/product.php?id_product=365

    Bibliography info:
    http://st-takla.org/Saints/Coptic-Orthodox-Saints-Biography/Coptic-Saints-Story_50.html
    and
    http://www.coptichistory.org/new_page_1456.htm

    Please tell me whether these were useful or not.

    GBU


    of course, you found links. LOL.
  • TITLTITL
    Link Man does it again!
  • RemnkemiRemnkemi
    The online bookstore link doesn't work. I needed the first link. But I'm also looking for Volume 2. Can Link Man pull off Pisemsi oi `natjom (mission impossible)?
  • TITLTITL
    Yes, he can.
  • John_S2000John_S2000
    Thanks GM & TITL for your nice words tho all I do is just a little search  :)

    Remnkemi this link points to 12 units (and their chapters) so may be you'd check all the book parts are there. They are listed in Arabic in the greenish column.
    http://www.calloflove.net/copticlibrary/takses3list.htm

    For your interest and others' too, find more good books:
    http://www.calloflove.net/copticlibrary/bookslist9b.htm
    (you can find lots more on this site)

    The Lamp that Light the Darkness, by Ibn Kabar
    http://ixoyc.net/data/Fathers/170.pdf
    82 pages, a preliminary translation & translator's details...

    More here:
    http://ixoyc.net/fathers1.aspx
    and books in English,
    http://ixoyc.net/fathers2.aspx

    Perhaps for Ophadece, A Coptic Dictionary [W.E. Crum] as PDF:
    http://ixoyc.net/data/Fathers/136.pdf

    GBU
  • John_S2000John_S2000
    OK I've just read the book has 24 chapters.

    I made it two volumes containing 24 Chapters as follows:

    (1)  Chapter One:  Concerning Faith, Its Origin and all its parts.  
    (2)  Chapter Two:  The Orthodox Creed and its Explanation.
    (3)  Chapter Three:   In the Carnation of the Lord and the Dates of Corresponding Laws.  
    (4)  Chapter Four:  The Acts of the Apostles and Some of the Stories of their Lives.
    (5)  Chapter Five:  An Index of the Accepted Laws (Canons) and Councils.
    (6)  Chapter Six:  Concerning Accepted (Holy) Books of the Church.
    (7)  Chapter Seven:  About the Righteous of the Nazarene (Copts) and their writings  
    (8 )  Chapter Eight:  About Church Buildings, Consecration of Church and Altar.
    (9)  Chapter Nine:  About the Preparation of Myron, it’s elements and consecration.
    (10)  Chapter Ten:  The Selection, Introduction, and Consecration of the Patriarch.  
    (11)  Chapter Eleven: The Selection, Introduction, and Consecration of Bishops.
    (12)  Chapter Twelve:  The Introduction, Consecration, and Duties of Priests.  

    book pt.2
    (13)  Chapter Thirteen:  The Consecration of Deacons, Sub deacons and the lesser Ranks.  
    (14)  Chapter Fourteen: Concerning Monastics, their Consecration and Duties.
    (15)  Chapter Fifteen:    Concerning Baptism and Confirmation.  
    (16)  Chapter Sixteen:      About the Prayers of the Hours of the Day and Night.    
    (17)  Chapter Seventeen: Concerning Liturgies, Offerings and Mysteries.  
    (18)  Chapter Eighteen: Concerning the Holy Lent Fasting Season and Paschal Week.  
    (19)  Chapter Nineteen: Concerning the Pentecost Season and the Lord’s Feasts.
    (20)   Chapter Twenty: Concerning Marriage and the Marriage Contract.    
    (21)  Chapter Twenty-One: Concerning Funeral Service and Unction of the Sick.
    (22)  Chapter Twenty-Two: Concerning Church Reading for the Days and the Feasts.  

    (23)  Chapter Twenty Three:  The Apquaty Calculus and Its Methods  
    (24)  Chapter Twenty Four:  Many Parts About the History of the World, and Summary
                       Of The History of the Patriarchs of the See of St. Mark.

    It seems there are 30 chapters in all not 24. Some chapter titles differ starting from 23:

    23-الباب الثالث والعشرين: تسبحة تقال قبل النوم وصلاة الابقطى ومسيراته

    24-الباب الرابع والعشرين : في قدوم ال 150 اسقفاً ,وسمي الوداع

    25-الباب الخامس والعشرين: في صمت الله وآفت البرد

    26-الباب السادس والعشرين: في باب الكهنوت من اجل تأخيره عن القسيسة

    27-الباب السابع والعشرين: في مدحه اثناسيوس بطريرك الاسكندرية

    28-الباب الثامن والعشرين: مدحه باسيليوس الكبير

    29-الباب التاسع والعشرون:مدحه قبريانوس القديس

    30-الباب الثلاثون: في خير القديس أغريغوريوس جمعه

    http://www.saidetalbehar.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-844.html

    GBU
  • John_S2000John_S2000
    With the grace of God part 2 of the book in Arabic:
    http://www.4shared.com/get/0SfR4Hny/_____2____Links.html

    Manuscript is in Arabic with its Coptic content, it is difficult to find the printed version of part 2.

    & part 1 - just in case:
    http://www.4shared.com/get/ZG6h7Q0O/_____1___Links.html

    GBU
  • RemnkemiRemnkemi
    Thank you so much Link Man. The last 2 links are Bishop Samuel's version. The other link on ixoyc.net is Samir Khalil's version. I did not find volume 2 of Samir Khalil's version. If you find that, I'd have to call you Super Link Man.
  • John_S2000John_S2000
    You're welcome Remnkemi (never mind the Super tho, the current logo is more than enough!).

    Are you sure that Part 2 of Jesuit Fr Samir Khalil's version of the book was ever printed? It seems it's not publicly available, not even a printed 1st edition of Part 2 by Al-Karuz press; it can be accessed via contacts with Jesuit or Catholic academic centers in Lebanon.

    Since Fr Samir Khalil is Catholic, I think the Coptic Orthodox rites found in the Ibn Kabar text may differ from the currently adopted Coptic Catholic rites.

    A copy of the original Ibn Kabar manuscripts could be found in the CO Patriarchate library archives.

    GBU
  • RemnkemiRemnkemi
    [quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=11514.msg139216#msg139216 date=1307628839]
    Are you sure that Part 2 of Jesuit Fr Samir Khalil's version of the book was ever printed? It seems it's not publicly available, not even a printed 1st edition of Part 2 by Al-Karuz press; it can be accessed via contacts with Jesuit or Catholic academic centers in Lebanon.
    It's my understanding that Volume 2 of Fr Samir Khalil is the Coptic sources. I don't know where the book would be.

    Since Fr Samir Khalil is Catholic, I think the Coptic Orthodox rites found in the Ibn Kabar text may differ from the currently adopted Coptic Catholic rites.

    This is not an issue at all since Ibn Kabar was Coptic Orthodox, not Catholic.

    A copy of the original Ibn Kabar manuscripts could be found in the CO Patriarchate library archives.

    And how would you suggest I get access to the Patriarchate's library?
  • markh113
    How about part 2 in English?
  • ophadeceophadece
    Thank you very much dear John_S2000. I don't know how I didn't come across this thread before!!!
    Oujai qen `P[C
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