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Where is Egypt heading?
Roughly?
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The Egyptians have rejected the MB and in one year, they have overturned their rule of corruption and treason. In retaliation, and with the support of their allies such as the US, the EU, Qatar and Turkey, the MB are trying to set all of Egypt on fire. This confrontation has been delayed many times during the past 83 years, ever since the MB existed.
Of course, the first group that will be targeted are the Copts. They are always the first to pay the price of freedom.
One of the most intriguing phases in the history of Egypt is the invasion by the Heksos and taking over the Delta of Egypt near the year 1900 B.C. The surviving manuscripts say that they were a lowly breed, savage and barbaric, large in numbers like locusts, who oppressed the Egyptians. After an occupation of the Delta for anywhere from 150 to 400 years, the great Pharaoh Ahmos managed to expel them beyond Sinai into what is now the north of Sauid Arabia. No one could have believed it, but he pulled it off.
True Egyptians can pull off fantastic feats. Even the most secular of Egyptian activits have described the events of June 30, July 3 and July 26 as a miracle. It will come with a hefty price.
Alexandria
Father Maximus Church
Arish
St George Church | Burned
Assiut
Good Shepherds Monastery | Nuns attacked
Angel Michael Church | Surrounded
St George Coptic Orthodox Church
Al-Eslah Church| Burned
Adventist Church | Pastor and his wife kidnapped
St Therese Church
Apostles Church | Burning
Holy Revival Church | Burning
Beni Suef
The Nuns School
St George Church | al-Wasta
Cairo
St Fatima Basilica | Heliopolis | Attempted Attack
Fayoum (Five churches)
St Mary Church | El Nazlah
St Damiana Church | Robbed and burned
Amir Tawadros (St Theodore) Church
Evangelical Church | al-Zorby Village | Looting and destruction
Church of Joseph | Burned
Franciscan School | Burned
Gharbiya
Diocese of St Paul | Burned
Giza
Father Antonios
Atfeeh Bishopric
Minya
Church of the Virgin Mary and Father Abram | Delga, Deir Mawas
St Mina Church | Abu Hilal Kebly, Beni Hilal
Baptist Church | Beni Mazar
Deir Mawas Bishopric
Delga Church | Attacked
The Jesuit Fathers Church | Abu Hilal district
St Mark Church | Abu Hilal district
St Joseph Nunnery
Amir Tadros Church
Evangelical Church
Anba Moussa al-Aswad Church
Apostles Church
Qena
St Mary’s Church | Attempted Burning
Sohag
St George Church
St Damiana | Attacked and burned
Virgin Mary | Attacked and burned
St Mark Church & Community Center
Anba Abram Church | Destroyed and burned
Suez
St Saviours Anglican Church
Franciscan Church and School | Street 23 | Burned
Holy Shepherd Monastery and Hospital
Good Shepherd Church (molotov ****tail thrown)- Relationship with Holy Shepherd Monastery unknown.
Greek Orthodox Church
Christian Institutions
House of Father Angelos (Pastor of Church of the Virgin Mary and Father Abram) | Delga, Minya | Burned
Properties and Markets of Copts | al-Gomhorreya Street, Assiut
Seventeen Coptic homes | Delga, Minya | Burned
YMCA | Minya| Burned
Coptic Homes | Qulta Street, Assiut | Attacked
Offices of the Evangelical Foundation & Oum al-Nour | Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacy, and hotels | Karnak and Cleopatra Streets, Luxor | Attacked and Looted
Dahabeya Nile Boat | Minya| Church-owned
Bible Society bookshop | Cairo | Burned
Bible Society | Fayoum
Bible Society | al-Gomohoreya Street, Assiut
Source: http://nilerevolt.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/1198/
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Actually got it from CopticWorld.org.
I really hope this comes to an end soon..
Muslims and Christians are united in all this (along with secularists and liberals).
The MB's enemy is now the military. I think the military will not hesitate to use live ammunition when faced with a real security risk.
They've already lost around 80 personnel (police/military). They can see, the world can see, and finally ALL Egyptians can now see, what the MB is about, and how dangerous they are.
Will Egypt ever be an Islamic State?
This question really makes me laugh. Put the MB aside for a second - look around u in Egypt - its an Islamic State already. MB in power, or not in MB, Egypt is Islamic - so I don't know what the fuss is about.
Everytime i got back there, I see 10000's of muslims even praying in the street because Mosques are full. Compare this to Europe where Churches are so empty they are being converted to discotecques.
The MB is hated among the dominant majority of the Egyptians. We are talking about 33 millions on June 30, 25 millions on July 3 and 40 millions on July 26 who took actively to the streets to take them out of power, then support the new direction, and in the end to give a mandate to the military to deal with the MB / Hamas terrorism in Sinai and in Egypt as it sees suitable.
But we cannot overlook that the MB is supported by the United States of Babylon and the European Union. They are financed by Qatar and logistically supported by Turkey and Israel.
You are dealing with a beast. As a group, they are finished in Egypt as to their political presence. On the international scene, they are as much powerful as their allies are willing to support them, and they do support them.
Throughout all this, the Copts have proven that they are the true Egyptians and Christians.
I agree with Zoxasi.
The MB is hated among the dominant majority of the Egyptians. We are talking about 33 millions on June 30, 25 millions on July 3 and 40 millions on July 26 who took actively to the streets to take them out of power, then support the new direction, and in the end to give a mandate to the military to deal with the MB / Hamas terrorism in Sinai and in Egypt as it sees suitable.
But we cannot overlook that the MB is supported by the United States of Babylon and the European Union. They are financed by Qatar and logistically supported by Turkey and Israel.
You are dealing with a beast. As a group, they are finished in Egypt as to their political presence. On the international scene, they are as much powerful as their allies are willing to support them, and they do support them.
Throughout all this, the Copts have proven that they are the true Egyptians and Christians.
What would have happened if the MB had stayed in power?
Some guy asked me this at work. He said that we should have let them do their 4 year term, and even if they changed the constitution, we could have reversed anything the next 4 years after Morsi's tenure had finished.
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I agree with Zoxasi.
The MB is hated among the dominant majority of the Egyptians. We are talking about 33 millions on June 30, 25 millions on July 3 and 40 millions on July 26 who took actively to the streets to take them out of power, then support the new direction, and in the end to give a mandate to the military to deal with the MB / Hamas terrorism in Sinai and in Egypt as it sees suitable.
But we cannot overlook that the MB is supported by the United States of Babylon and the European Union. They are financed by Qatar and logistically supported by Turkey and Israel.
You are dealing with a beast. As a group, they are finished in Egypt as to their political presence. On the international scene, they are as much powerful as their allies are willing to support them, and they do support them.
Throughout all this, the Copts have proven that they are the true Egyptians and Christians.
What would have happened if the MB had stayed in power?
Some guy asked me this at work. He said that we should have let them do their 4 year term, and even if they changed the constitution, we could have reversed anything the next 4 years after Morsi's tenure had finished.
Then Mubarak should have been left to finish his term, which meant only to stay 7 months in power. In january 2011, 11 millions took to the streets in Cairo and Delta only. In June / July 2013, more than 40 million took to the street.
In one year, the economy was utterly destroyed, no safety, chaos everywhere, Sinai lost to terrorists that the MB protected. Basically, no country and no institutions. Another 3 years would have wiped Egypt from the map and changed the country as we have known it for the past 7000 years to a parking lot.
In the light of all what happened and all the criminal activities and treason that the MB is showing, is your friend at work still of the opinion that a president who is traitor and a criminal should have been left to continue his term? Does he watch CNN or BBC a lot?
He's a European muslim guy.
Im not sure he really understands what radical Islam is about.
Oujai
Dthoxasi, I really do believe that Europeans are more in tune with principles of democracy and dare I say anthropology more than religion, whether he's muslim or Christian. I also met Christian colleagues who share your friend's viewpoint..
Oujai
Whoever supports the brotherhood or Morsi has no idea about democracy.
Ray
The Muslim brotherhood are a terrorist organization. If you support the MB, you are a terrorist, and should be treated like one.
Ray
Exactly.
This applies to nations and individuals alike.
I believe that the divine law applies to nationas and individuals: "You shall reap what you sow".
If Babylon supports terrorism, they will get to taste it first hand.
There will be no civil war in Egypt. When the Church was attacked in last 3 or 4 years - Muslims tried to provoke us into a civil war. We didnt go down that road. We took the road that Vengence is God's and we will not behave this way.
The attacks on the 2 Saints Church, however, affected me. Many people died. I still see in my mind the photos of a young cute girl scarred for life, sitting on a hospital bed with burn marks over her face.
We passed that phase and didnt retaliate.
Now Muslims have woken up to what the MB is about, I guess they are more united with us against this radicalised extremist group. Actually, they MB have unwittingly united Egypt.
On twitter, every Copt is defending the smallest rights of his/her muslim neighbour. No one is attacking Islam, or muslims amongst us. That's wonderful.
The brotherhood will try pretend that this is a crusade action from us by oustering Morsi. We didnt ouster him. 30 million Egyptians did. When they see us as being scape-goats, and we are innocent, they will distance themselves from extremist views. They will be embarassed that their religion only sanctioned them to hate us.
I don't know about everyone here, but my faith in God has actually shot through the roof. I mean, who could have imagined that God would remove the MB? When Morsi was elected, I thought this would be the end of the Christians in Egypt. Who would have thought that muslims themselves would have enough of him. I thought they'd be more sincere to Islam than to common sense.
these are sins that need to be repented of and is the same sins that will make room for the antichrist
Wasn't this the reason why orthodox split from catholic because they just took pleasure in allowing Islam to dominate ?
these are sins that need to be repented of and is the same sins that will make room for the antichrist
No, it was because of the council of Chalcedon
the Catholic Church twisted scripture to say St Peter is the head and can not make mistakes when St James says all teachers stumble in many things
But how can an apostle make a mistake ?
Why are the descendants of apostles able to make mistakes ?
But we believe together we can not make mistakes the gates of hades can not prevail against the church
Why did God allow the west to believe in heresy what was the motivation behind the split ?
Officially, the US, France, Germany, Britian and Taliban have condemned the crack down on the MB. This is no joke, and no surprise.
Well, the US /UK have lost more than 8000 troops in their "War against Terrorism" and thousands of civilian lives too; yet they are NO better off or safer.
They closed their embassies a few weeks ago in fear of attacks.
These idiotic leaders have not understood where terrorism is coming from.
The Saudi Government have.
These idiotic leaders have not understood where terrorism is coming from.
They have understood very well and that is the reason they continue to support them.
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These idiotic leaders have not understood where terrorism is coming from.
They have understood very well and that is the reason they continue to support them.
"there will come a time when someone will kill you and think they are doing a service to God".
I think the end times are coming...
but - for me, I did n't want Morsi to leave. Every day he was in power with his buddies from the MB, he lost a LOT of support. Egyptians were so naive about the MB.
Nearly everyone I know who voted for them were out in the streets protesting against him on 30 june.
I wanted him in power until the end so muslims could see and understand their religion. You ALL know very well that people like Bassem Youssef and all his group felt embarassed to be muslim when looking at the MB. They all felt ashamed of their religion thanks to the MB.
they need to discuss together what their religion is about and agree on it.
That's why Saudi Arabia is against the MB: they've made muslims feel ashamed of being muslim. This is coming from a country that prohibits christians praying in the privacy of their own homes.
America cares more about the human rights of terrorists than it does about the victims of their terrorism -except of course when the USA is that victim - then it will go and attack every person who says they hate the USA, and not even deal with the root cause of the problem. the root cause is Islam.
There is NO other way to say it, and I'm saying this as someone who loves Muslims and respects them tremendously.
Islam is hard coded to subdue and be political. There is NO such thing as a secular Muslim. A secular muslim is worse than a Christian for many Islamists - its as if they've abandoned true Islam and are destroying it.