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The coptic church strives for perfection like all apostolic churches should
Still there are a few doctrines I do not agree with such as the doctrine of not allowing one person of a valid divorce to remarry even if they are completely repentant and do not think you are a lesser person than their new desired relationship. I don't see the church even wanting to discuss this to say why they think this is right. This doctrine does not prove the church is false or because apostolic churches are not perfect there is no true church for the early church taught the truth but this does not mean error can not be a problem being spread in the church for God gave us free will and it is up to the church to not let the gates of hades prevail. Many of us are even ignorant we are in error because we hold to certain church fathers and neglect the others or may misinterpret them and we do not consider everything to make a conclusion and obtain God's help. Therefore all apostolic churches have salvation because of valid sacraments but we should seek the full truth to reach more people through support
And everyone within their church to be helpful should teach the truth not assuming their church is perfect and not accepting things blindly while still being part of the church and benefiting from sacraments
And everyone within their church to be helpful should teach the truth not assuming their church is perfect and not accepting things blindly while still being part of the church and benefiting from sacraments
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However, to answer the question of marriage and about re-marrying. When we are married, we are united in one in Christ. So to have this union seperated is very serious. It would be up to the church to recoqnise that the relationship was not able to reconcile because there is no repentance. That being said, how can someone move onto another marriage that has been sanctified by the Holy Spirit through the church according to its doctrines (disciplines and responsibilities)?
And the truth? It is to spread the Gospel for the remission of sin. Not to have the gospel meaning changed.
Have you every played that game where everyone sits in a circle and the first one whispers a message to the person next to them and it keeps going until it gets back to the first person? Then they see if the message was the same as the first. Most times its not.
We have the gospel delivered from Saint Mark, given to the early church until today, that we keep the tradition and interpretation unchanging but very much alive for faith in Christ.
The gospel is the revelation of Christ or the revealing of God. Should that revealing message change because some have their own interpretations?
Anyway maybe remarriage is a sin but is there any sin not forgivable ?
The Samaritan woman had 5 husbands but maybe she was widowed 5 times or they left her I read in the article below
http://thewell.intervarsity.org/in-focus/revisiting-woman-well
Would God tolerate someone to cheat against 5 husbands and have children from each of them ? In the Old Testament a cheater was stoned and this would mean they would have no other children
Maybe He would but some misunderstand repentance. Some think I will do all sins and seek God to make me have repentance for the sins but you may find you are incapable of repentance when your time is up
Otherwise why do I have to repent of any of my sins
But the coptic church believes when the Samaritan woman said He told me all things that I ever did that means He knew all her sins. Therefore they believe they were sins
Children are a blessing from God to His people. If an adulterer can have all the benefits of a righteous person and still be just as happy before God and they were in no way made to earn it but were accomodated for to make repentance easy it may not be fair for the righteous person. Therefore I don't know all the answers. I refuse to let people think I know God's will so they follow me. That is something they need to learn from their own search and God
How can one repent of something he felt he benefited from? Not judging but I don't know all the answers
remarriage I thought should be considered if they are repentant if there is no other way to prevent people from hooking up with many people but that is still rebellious and no one should give them attention. God will not force them to do good but will judge the unrepentant
Lord have mercy on me and help me stop saying error or shutup from the beginning but I felt I should correct this
It is a sin repentance is still possible. I don't know what is required of them to repent if to leave the new partner whether or not they had children or not
As for children of second or more marriages he thinks we should not be jealous they have children but a Christian should wish well for their children just as he does for his own. And God will reward the truly righteous children
Anyone living in sin should fear he can die unrepentant at any time but the worst sinners have just as much hope as others if they repent now because those things are according to the judgement of God
The below may not be infallible but those in the church who know the truth should know the concerns of some people so they should address it and see why the church taught as it did if it is different but it may not be
Also I'm not sure it applies to those who are excused for not yet knowing Christ if that is possible. But not if they have no reason or good reason to not accept God except they don't want to be kind to God. It may apply mostly or only to those who find it difficult to accept God because they were raised non Christian with lack of these morals and were not sure Christianity is true even atheist families.
Maybe one can not know so he better accept God
My dad believes that is atleast a reason for God not to punish them and maybe I'm not sure he believes they can get married again if their marriage was never christian but they can only have 1 christian marriage or 1 marriage in general if they just don't want to give God their heart for no good or reason at all
but if people use that as an excuse not to be Christian maybe they were never excused to begin with.
Why would an atheist who married an atheist expect them to be under God's law.
You can't have God's benefits without being of God though I think it is wrong to leave them and they have to repent. I'm not sure of that case what to think. Maybe my judgement in this matter is ungodly and hurts atheists and further alienates them from God. I'm not sure even in that case a second marriage is okay.
You must not remarry even if you were both atheists if you both agreed on the morals of faithfulness unless you had no power because you were not a atheist wilfully because some are atheist wilfully so they have power to be faithful but they can remarry if their partner cheats on them but their soul is not safe if they keep marrying other atheists though repentance is possible unless you marry a Christian or only one more atheist marriage and never marry again but that is just punishing yourself
though repentance is possible in whatever state it is not wise to sin now for today is the day of salvation
I think I agree remarriage should be allowed in some cases for their well being
We can not know if an adulterer has changed and one may not be pure like Hosea but be defiled in accepting an adulterer. Also the adulterer may cheat on you too and therefore hinder your well being to do God's commandments and if you have kids by her this can affect your kids atleast temporarily because they don't want to think bad about their mother because they think their mother is in them and your kids may affect others kids if their sins involve them . Because it is written train up your child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. Some people have more advantages to enter the kingdom it seems but everyone is still called. As Solomon had some mercy because of David maybe because God accepted Solomon parents and david raised him well and so God respects his prayers for him
If your wife won't raise your children well it is better not to have children if they allow this to make them not repent
However you may consider it if you think she tried with others and found no one
They should trust God to find them someone
if someone from outside the church gets divorced before becoming a Christian, he or she gets a fresh start because he / she is born again in baptism.
so it is not our job to tell people who are not Christian how to live. we should just show them a good example.
God does not ask us to follow our church without our heart blindly
I will explain soon
You assume Protestants can not live faithful together
There is always mercy especially (because I hold there is still mercy even for all repentant sinners ) for those who failed who did not know better at the time for some reason but that doesn't mean you should not do the best thing in your situation now
But I pray for our bishops and priests who wish to do God's will especially those who have experience and knowledge in these matters
We know only the apostles can lay hands for none other than them could give the Holy Spirit
The bible says we must submit to those who rule over us as those who must give account. Therefore even if we can find God will without them they were made by God to help our salvation
If a priest or bishop was to ruin my marriage I would not be okay with him but I would not resist him but I know God will have the last word
I believe the Holy Spirit was restricted then to those in the church but it is different now because not everyone finds a Paul to teach them the way and even give them a gift of speaking in tongues
Acts 19:1-7
1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now the men were about twelve in all.
It's that I believe joining the true church when you absolutely know it is the truth promotes unity if you have specifically known it is the truth having been witnessed with power but others may not been witnessed with power yet not for their fault but no one would come to them even if they repent while they may come to me if I repent so they lose nothing. However I find no lack in the coptic church but I could still be wrong. I know only Jesus is the Son of God and God and I can find life in relationship with Him now. I just want to be in the fullness
Also I can not know if God has not witnessed with power to everyone and they have rejected it. However I believe God witnesses to everyone or convicts everyone about jesus only but they only know who He is if they want to know for Jesus said I will draw all men to Me. But those who don't want to believe in God by which I mean judgement even though they have been convinced God allows them to deceive themselves
The moral view maybe good for character and building you up to be righteous and so forth, but it is not deep enough and that is why they try to explain the myseries according to morality.
It is better to seek the myseries by the wisdom given to the Holy Fathers inspirations.
Especially not those who should know better
However it seems harsh david the king lived a difficult life after sin but he still got saved. I'm not saying I know all life will be bad and there is no reason to be joyful for those who are forgiven
I think it is possible many people who sinned perished in their sin and died without thinking of repentance not expecting death
Proverbs 6:20-35
My son, keep your father's command,
And do not forsake the law of your mother.
Bind them continually upon your heart;
Tie them around your neck.
When you roam, they will lead you;
When you sleep, they will keep you;
And when you awake, they will speak with you.
For the commandment is a lamp,
And the law a light;
Reproofs of instruction are the way of life,
To keep you from the evil woman,
From the flattering tongue of a seductress.
Do not lust after her beauty in your heart,
Nor let her allure you with her eyelids.
For by means of a harlot
A man is reduced to a crust of bread;
And an adulteress will prey upon his precious life.
Can a man take fire to his bosom,
And his clothes not be burned?
Can one walk on hot coals,
And his feet not be seared?
So is he who goes in to his neighbor's wife;
Whoever touches her shall not be innocent.
People do not despise a thief
If he steals to satisfy himself when he is starving.
Yet when he is found, he must restore sevenfold;
He may have to give up all the substance of his house.
Whoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding;
He who does so destroys his own soul.
Wounds and dishonor he will get,
And his reproach will not be wiped away.
For jealousy is a husband's fury;
Therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.
He will accept no recompense,
Nor will he be appeased though you give many gifts.