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Is it wrong to memorise something you do not understand and put it in a test?
example a flowchart?
because you don't really understand so you might pass undeservedly ..right?
because you don't really understand so you might pass undeservedly ..right?
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intriguing question. well let me tell you, study is about the effort, god will reward you due to effort and not how much you understood.
let me clarify.
study has no defined term.
whether it be to memorise, understand, recite or picture...you put the effort in, thus when you arrive at examination time, and will be asked certain questions, you answer acordingly.
NOW, whether you memorised understood of read through, will accordinly show through your results.
there is NOTHING that you can simply memorise and get full marks on without understanding it that needs to further your knowledge on the things that u have learnt in uni( do i make sense?)
therefore, if u memorise, putting in the effort to memorise, in questions that require reciting, you will atain the deserved marks however with questions that require knowledge, where you may have insufficent amount of, your marks will also show accordinly
THUS
NO, you will obviously not pass undservingly.
NO, you will obviously not pass undservingly.
plz explain
therefore if u happened to have passed, then u must of understood therefore u did pass deservigly..
make sense now?
example a flowchart?
because you don't really understand so you might pass undeservedly ..right?
well you can't give this question an exact answer.
if u don't understand somthing, learn about it and try to understand. ask for help, read books, do what ever to learn it. and than from there ull learn it and wont need that much memorizing to do.
but if you don't understand it, and there is no way to understand it, thatn memorizing the answer is the thing to do.
it's not wrong. you do your best and that's what you'll get back.
I don't wish to sound harsh here, but I honestly can't believe this is a sincere and legitimate question/concern to begin with. Some of the questions I've seen raised seem almost infantile. I'm just curious, are these actual concerns you have or are you just randomly asking questions?
pray for me
Okay, fair enough. This begs the following question: Why does someone who is in university (I'm assuming of course, based on your previous posts) have concerns like these?
Please pray for me.
and just do all u can to pass the exam - u know exams arent the best way to test ppl but if unis choose to do it that way then u aint doin nothing wrong - ur just using a trick to pass the exam
so ........... so long as u dont cheat then u aint doin anything wrong!!! play by their rules!
kristina123
[coptic]+ Iryny nem `hmot>[/coptic]
Okay, fair enough. This begs the following question: Why does someone who is in university (I'm assuming of course, based on your previous posts) have concerns like these?
Please pray for me.
does this really matter..mikeforjesus asked a legitimate question to which he hs concern, posted under the right category, whether to which other people have the same concern is irrelevant.
sorry for taking this on you, but we have previously had disputes due to the Mikeforjesus's posts concluding that he has every right to ask such questions as longas he will benefit
:) goodnight
+WHy+ (happy good friday)
While I know you mean well, I do feel my concern is a legitimate one. I will wait to hear back from Mike before I go any further in this matter. In the mean time, would you kindly point me to the thread in which this had been discussed before. I have only recently become active on this site, so I most certainly must have missed it. Thanks.
[p.s.,who likes to sudy?]
egy
example a flowchart?
because you don't really understand so you might pass undeservedly ..right?
No its not wrong. If they ask u in an exam to draw a flow chart - let's say for example Kreb's Cycle (its like a flow chart), and let's say u didnt really understand it, but u memorised the cycle, then that's not wrong if there was a question that said :"draw the Kreb's cycle".
Pyruvic Acid
Acetic Acid
alpha-ketoglutaric acid,
Succinic Acid,
Malic Acid
Oxo-alocetic acid
Something like that... i did that SOOOOOOO many years ago... lol...
I've never seen or touched any of the above acids, but i know that somewhere these acids are generated in a body. If the question asked a more in-depth question such as "explain the relationship between succinic acid and other organic cycles" for example, and you couldn't , then OK, you can lose points for that: which is totally fair, you are saying to the examiner : I've memorised this cycle, but my understanding of it is VERY limited!! So, you get the points for the effort of understanding a cycle, but lose some points for not understanding all of it.
By the way, im nothing in biochem. This is not my field.. if i typed anything wrong, i'm sorry... its just an example...
Actually, you are mistaken there. Memorising is not about understanding. Im not a biochemist, and I still remember the kreb's cycle. How? Our teacher at school taught us good memory techniques. Absolutely brilliant. He taught us how to memorise. I was so amazed. U can memorise phone numbers, dates, history, bible passages etc... the way of doing it is simple. I'll explain to those who are interested.
[quote author=Kristina123 link=topic=5173.msg69365#msg69365 date=1175772824]
hmmmmmm well if u ask me i dont think its that easy to memorise something if u dont understand it - its almost impossible
and just do all u can to pass the exam - u know exams arent the best way to test ppl but if unis choose to do it that way then u aint doin nothing wrong - ur just using a trick to pass the exam
so ........... so long as u dont cheat then u aint doin anything wrong!!! play by their rules!
kristina123
[coptic]+ Iryny nem `hmot>[/coptic]
I don't wish to sound harsh here, but I honestly can't believe this is a sincere and legitimate question/concern to begin with. Some of the questions I've seen raised seem almost infantile. I'm just curious, are these actual concerns you have or are you just randomly asking questions?
Knfoc, we should be thankful my friend, - Some one on here once asked if it was a sin to cross the road where there was no zebra crossing. lol...
The worst part was that he had around 500 hits on his topic. LOL
Kerestina123,
Actually, you are mistaken there. Memorising is not about understanding. Im not a biochemist, and I still remember the kreb's cycle. How? Our teacher at school taught us good memory techniques. Absolutely brilliant. He taught us how to memorise. I was so amazed. U can memorise phone numbers, dates, history, bible passages etc... the way of doing it is simple. I'll explain to those who are interested.
[quote author=Kristina123 link=topic=5173.msg69365#msg69365 date=1175772824]
hmmmmmm well if u ask me i dont think its that easy to memorise something if u dont understand it - its almost impossible
and just do all u can to pass the exam - u know exams arent the best way to test ppl but if unis choose to do it that way then u aint doin nothing wrong - ur just using a trick to pass the exam
so ........... so long as u dont cheat then u aint doin anything wrong!!! play by their rules!
kristina123
i dont know why you persist in replying to kristina123 using my name considering my minimal input into this thread so its either, u love my name so much u cant get it out of ur head or ur trying to be funni............either way ur freaky and tha joke aint funni
i too did biochemistry and the kreb cycle is one u must understand there are reverse reactions, by products etc and is not straight forward
i still believe my theory is correct
anyways - why on earth reply to this thread months later? and then u ridicule other threads that are useless and have recieved 500 hits? well let me tell u - u cant complain/criticise when u are one of the contributors!!!! almost hypocritical if u ask me!
kristina123
I think its an obvious mistake to write kerestina123 adn Kristina123 ? No?
Oh big big Kerestina ! Please open your big heart and find some forgiveness??
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Kerestina123,
Actually, you are mistaken there. Memorising is not about understanding. Im not a biochemist, and I still remember the kreb's cycle. How? Our teacher at school taught us good memory techniques. Absolutely brilliant. He taught us how to memorise. I was so amazed. U can memorise phone numbers, dates, history, bible passages etc... the way of doing it is simple. I'll explain to those who are interested.
[quote author=Kristina123 link=topic=5173.msg69365#msg69365 date=1175772824]
hmmmmmm well if u ask me i dont think its that easy to memorise something if u dont understand it - its almost impossible
and just do all u can to pass the exam - u know exams arent the best way to test ppl but if unis choose to do it that way then u aint doin nothing wrong - ur just using a trick to pass the exam
so ........... so long as u dont cheat then u aint doin anything wrong!!! play by their rules!
kristina123
i dont know why you persist in replying to kristina123 using my name considering my minimal input into this thread so its either, u love my name so much u cant get it out of ur head or ur trying to be funni............either way ur freaky and tha joke aint funni
Kerestina123,
Actually, you are mistaken there. Memorising is not about understanding. Im not a biochemist, and I still remember the kreb's cycle. How? Our teacher at school taught us good memory techniques. Absolutely brilliant. He taught us how to memorise. I was so amazed. U can memorise phone numbers, dates, history, bible passages etc... the way of doing it is simple. I'll explain to those who are interested.
[quote author=Kristina123 link=topic=5173.msg69365#msg69365 date=1175772824]
hmmmmmm well if u ask me i dont think its that easy to memorise something if u dont understand it - its almost impossible
and just do all u can to pass the exam - u know exams arent the best way to test ppl but if unis choose to do it that way then u aint doin nothing wrong - ur just using a trick to pass the exam
so ........... so long as u dont cheat then u aint doin anything wrong!!! play by their rules!
kristina123
I'm really interested. How do you memorize? It would help me alot on tests...and im sure it would help other students as well.
i mean i think it is better to learn it then u know it for the rest of ur life but....i think only 50% of us do this
so,...it is not wrong to memoruize somthing and pitit on a test
hope i helped
pp4m
EgY
Its very simple. For example, i wrote that kreb's cycle in 2 seconds. No thinking involved.
U wanna go into the exam feeling confident, fresh and be 1000% sure u havent forgotten anything, and what u've remembered is all there is to know, and nothing else is missing.
How do u do it?
Using association. Its all based on association : images. But i'll have to sit down and show u. I can't explain on this forum.
[quote author=marmara327 link=topic=5173.msg71221#msg71221 date=1179787399]
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5173.msg71179#msg71179 date=1179674949]
Kerestina123,
Actually, you are mistaken there. Memorising is not about understanding. Im not a biochemist, and I still remember the kreb's cycle. How? Our teacher at school taught us good memory techniques. Absolutely brilliant. He taught us how to memorise. I was so amazed. U can memorise phone numbers, dates, history, bible passages etc... the way of doing it is simple. I'll explain to those who are interested.
[quote author=Kristina123 link=topic=5173.msg69365#msg69365 date=1175772824]
hmmmmmm well if u ask me i dont think its that easy to memorise something if u dont understand it - its almost impossible
and just do all u can to pass the exam - u know exams arent the best way to test ppl but if unis choose to do it that way then u aint doin nothing wrong - ur just using a trick to pass the exam
so ........... so long as u dont cheat then u aint doin anything wrong!!! play by their rules!
kristina123
I'm really interested. How do you memorize? It would help me alot on tests...and im sure it would help other students as well.
I'm really interested. How do you memorize? It would help me alot on tests...and im sure it would help other students as well.
another method for memorising is writing a poem or song about your topic for example say you had to learn four language techniques for english you have Simile, Onomatopeia, Connotation, Metaphor. ok so you then use the first letter of each word so SMOC, you can learn it like that or make it more poetic
we all have our inidividual techniques for memorising things.
and one MUST have some understanding to some degree of what their memorising. if you understand it you can memorise it better.
your right egy and it has been proven exams are not a test of intelligence but of memory, multiple choice is seen to be the only exam to test ones knowledge
You've got the hang of it!! Now, u just have to build on that... there's other stuff also you can do.. not everything works in a poem.. but yes, the principal is the same as we can remember poems or songs, but factual information is hard. So what's the answer? to associate this abstract factual information with a poem.
The technique I was taught at school was not this, but we do is more efficient for studying for exams; but it will be based on the same principals as the above example.
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[quote author=marmara327 link=topic=5173.msg71221#msg71221 date=1179787399]
I'm really interested. How do you memorize? It would help me alot on tests...and im sure it would help other students as well.
another method for memorising is writing a poem or song about your topic for example say you had to learn four language techniques for english you have Simile, Onomatopeia, Connotation, Metaphor. ok so you then use the first letter of each word so SMOC, you can learn it like that or make it more poetic
we all have our inidividual techniques for memorising things.
and one MUST have some understanding to some degree of what their memorising. if you understand it you can memorise it better.
your right egy and it has been proven exams are not a test of intelligence but of memory, multiple choice is seen to be the only exam to test ones knowledge
I remember my high school exams were I memorised 4 essays for one exam, each about 1200 words at least. I did quite well in the exam.
I don't believe it is a sin mate. I think though you will be caught out if you do this though. You need to know how to apply it- but I don't believe it is cheating if you try to apply it errorneously.
If you know how to use it in a test, you obviously have some idea of what it is about. Trust me, teachers are experienced in how to divide those who do the effort or not. They can see if by applying something whether if you understand or not. The design of the exam is to give seperation, and those who put at least some rudimentary effort such as you suggest memorising something you don't understand, they will give partial credit. So leave it to them. Just don't write stuff on your arm etc.
That's what I think mate.
God bless you. You obviously have a conscience if your asking about this stuff. Talk with your FOC.