[quote author=Faithfull Servant 1 link=topic=14258.msg163211#msg163211 date=1360410987] What is the Psalm that M.Ayad always says during the vespers prayers for the popes sermon
[quote author=dg920 link=topic=14258.msg163215#msg163215 date=1360441864] The psalm is JE avsaji. It is the tawaf in vespers and matins during the Annual seasons
let me expand on this. Je avsaji is the tawaf of vespers and matins in St Mary's fast. that way/tune is taken to be used for annual vespers and matins tawafs and psalms (the psalm of the day and tawaf are said in this order and in the same tune). Marochasf is a tawaf that is to be said when bishops are present. m Ibrahim records here: Maro-echasf - Je-afsaji Fast Tune by Ibrahim Ayad (ignore the fact that it is recorded in the palm sunday set). Now there are different tawafs for many occasions. There is one for vespers and another for matins annual days. I would say m Ibrahim said the psalm, than maybe the vespers tawaf and then, for sure, marochasf.
I found the annual ones for vespers and matins but I still dont understand this tawaf thing and what are the ones for different occasions, where can they be found and in what tune are they said (like the marouchasf above or different)?
Tawaf is an arabic word taking from the work yatoof which means to proceed in a procession or a circle. The southern diocese deacon's service books has many of these tawafs (if not all) and use the word 'trailer'....the reason htese parts of psalms (because the tawafs are also parts of psalms), the proper order of events during the litany of the gospel is this: - Priest finishes the litany and goes inside the sanctuary with the deacon, puts incense and goes around the altar with the deacon. - Meanwhile the psalm, followed by the tawaf (or 2) are said (maybe the psalm response too). - The priest continues going around the church having all kiss the Beshara (the gospel in his hands). Now priests atleast have other priests do this. In monasteries, priests still do this. sometimes, when there isn't much people in church, abouna's do that. - After he 'proceeds' around the church granting people the blessing of the gospel, he goes back to the coptic manageya to read the coptic gospel. - The gospel is then read in another language.
The tawaf was put to give abouna more time to go around the church and grant the people the blessing. The tune of the tawaf is exactly like the tune of the psalm said before it. So that can either be annual, kiahky, lent, festive....(marochasf is a tawaf said is a bishop is present. its tune depends on the day).
The tawaf was put to give abouna more time to go around the church and grant the people the blessing. The tune of the tawaf is exactly like the tune of the psalm said before it. So that can either be annual, kiahky, lent, festive....(marochasf is a tawaf said is a bishop is present. its tune depends on the day).
Thanks Mina!!! Sorry to bother you with so many questions but what is the lent tune for the psalm?
Well i guess it's lost.....it is probably annual. when you are not sure of what tune to say, then annual is always good :-).......even thoo i remember hearing a recording of a psalm for lent from m Ibrahim.....if i find it, i'll post it.
[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=14258.msg163230#msg163230 date=1360520604] Tawaf is an arabic word taking from the work yatoof which means to proceed in a procession or a circle. The southern diocese deacon's service books has many of these tawafs (if not all) and use the word 'trailer'....the reason htese parts of psalms (because the tawafs are also parts of psalms), the proper order of events during the litany of the gospel is this: - Priest finishes the litany and goes inside the sanctuary with the deacon, puts incense and goes around the altar with the deacon. - Meanwhile the psalm, followed by the tawaf (or 2) are said (maybe the psalm response too). - The priest continues going around the church having all kiss the Beshara (the gospel in his hands). Now priests atleast have other priests do this. In monasteries, priests still do this. sometimes, when there isn't much people in church, abouna's do that. - After he 'proceeds' around the church granting people the blessing of the gospel, he goes back to the coptic manageya to read the coptic gospel. - The gospel is then read in another language.
The tawaf was put to give abouna more time to go around the church and grant the people the blessing. The tune of the tawaf is exactly like the tune of the psalm said before it. So that can either be annual, kiahky, lent, festive....(marochasf is a tawaf said is a bishop is present. its tune depends on the day).
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What is the Psalm that M.Ayad always says during the vespers prayers for the popes sermon
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link of the video would help.....
The psalm is JE avsaji. It is the tawaf in vespers and matins during the Annual seasons
let me expand on this. Je avsaji is the tawaf of vespers and matins in St Mary's fast. that way/tune is taken to be used for annual vespers and matins tawafs and psalms (the psalm of the day and tawaf are said in this order and in the same tune). Marochasf is a tawaf that is to be said when bishops are present. m Ibrahim records here: Maro-echasf - Je-afsaji Fast Tune by Ibrahim Ayad (ignore the fact that it is recorded in the palm sunday set).
Now there are different tawafs for many occasions. There is one for vespers and another for matins annual days. I would say m Ibrahim said the psalm, than maybe the vespers tawaf and then, for sure, marochasf.
Do you know where I can find these psalms??
God Bless
oh.. btw... what does tawaf mean??
God Bless
- Priest finishes the litany and goes inside the sanctuary with the deacon, puts incense and goes around the altar with the deacon.
- Meanwhile the psalm, followed by the tawaf (or 2) are said (maybe the psalm response too).
- The priest continues going around the church having all kiss the Beshara (the gospel in his hands). Now priests atleast have other priests do this. In monasteries, priests still do this. sometimes, when there isn't much people in church, abouna's do that.
- After he 'proceeds' around the church granting people the blessing of the gospel, he goes back to the coptic manageya to read the coptic gospel.
- The gospel is then read in another language.
The tawaf was put to give abouna more time to go around the church and grant the people the blessing.
The tune of the tawaf is exactly like the tune of the psalm said before it. So that can either be annual, kiahky, lent, festive....(marochasf is a tawaf said is a bishop is present. its tune depends on the day).
The tawaf was put to give abouna more time to go around the church and grant the people the blessing.
The tune of the tawaf is exactly like the tune of the psalm said before it. So that can either be annual, kiahky, lent, festive....(marochasf is a tawaf said is a bishop is present. its tune depends on the day).
Thanks Mina!!! Sorry to bother you with so many questions but what is the lent tune for the psalm?
God Bless
The recording of M. Ibrahim says that the lenten psalm is said sanawy lol
Khalsa ba2a...
Tawaf is an arabic word taking from the work yatoof which means to proceed in a procession or a circle. The southern diocese deacon's service books has many of these tawafs (if not all) and use the word 'trailer'....the reason htese parts of psalms (because the tawafs are also parts of psalms), the proper order of events during the litany of the gospel is this:
- Priest finishes the litany and goes inside the sanctuary with the deacon, puts incense and goes around the altar with the deacon.
- Meanwhile the psalm, followed by the tawaf (or 2) are said (maybe the psalm response too).
- The priest continues going around the church having all kiss the Beshara (the gospel in his hands). Now priests atleast have other priests do this. In monasteries, priests still do this. sometimes, when there isn't much people in church, abouna's do that.
- After he 'proceeds' around the church granting people the blessing of the gospel, he goes back to the coptic manageya to read the coptic gospel.
- The gospel is then read in another language.
The tawaf was put to give abouna more time to go around the church and grant the people the blessing.
The tune of the tawaf is exactly like the tune of the psalm said before it. So that can either be annual, kiahky, lent, festive....(marochasf is a tawaf said is a bishop is present. its tune depends on the day).
check m.Ibrahim answer for this: