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Really disturbing news
Fr Peter,
Its with a deep sadness and regret that I post this:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/11/sharia-alert-non-muslim-british.html
England is no place to raise a Christian family.
This is worse than Egypt.
Here's the full story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/Schoolboys-disciplined-for-refusing-to-pray-to-Allah.html
Its with a deep sadness and regret that I post this:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/11/sharia-alert-non-muslim-british.html
England is no place to raise a Christian family.
This is worse than Egypt.
Here's the full story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/Schoolboys-disciplined-for-refusing-to-pray-to-Allah.html
Comments
You've got to be kidding. Where are the people of the UK? There should be riots against this nonsense.
IloveSaintMark,
Im at loss for words as to why there is a systematic hatred amongst the British towards their own religion and national identity.
Its unbelievable.
This isn't the UK many Coptic Christian immigrants signed up for.
It is what I call the Three-Prong Satanic Attack; secularism/humanism, heresy, and the sword of the enemy.
From the articles that you linked you can see the playing out of the interactions of this three pronged attack. The heresy of the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury helping the High Lord making an argument for Sharia Law as a parallel legal system in England; businessmen facilitating the use of Halal meat in a deceptive fashion; the apathy and ignorance of the British people in allowing things to proceed; and finally the oppressive force of Islam pushing and attacking to take a position to swallow what is left of the British Isles.
How's that for an analysis?
How messed up is that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:
You see why England is a bit weired? They marginalize their own faith - they separate Church and state and yet unwittingly (or wittingly!) go off and merge State and Mosque.
The national identity of England is gone. Its over. England is dead. May she rest in peace.
No, England is not dead. We HAVE been suffering under 13 years of an anti-Christian regime, and there is hope that things will change.
It is not that the English do not love their nation, I will be at Wembley supporting the England football team against France tonight and there will be a great deal of national pride. The problem has been that the previous Government hated England. Many of them were Scottish, and many were from Marxist backgrounds. They have deliberately attempted to destroy England for the sake of a greater pan-European socialist vision. We discovered a year ago that in fact they allowed unrestricted immigration into England so that the English population would be diluted, and so that the enforcement of multi-culturalism would ensure that English culture was only one among many and received no priviliges.
I expect to see a backlash over the next years as people reassert their national pride, and their desire to be able to be English without always worrying if they will be arrested for saying something wrong.
I could never live in France. To be honest I think they have more than enough problems of their own. They did in fact attempt to be the first atheist state in the world. English people are pretty fed up with French socialists constantly blocking the Channel crossing over some grievance or other. I think that the demographics show that France will become a Muslim state quicker than England unless we all do something.
The fact that these stories of Muslim infiltration do make the national headlines seems to me to suggest that something is changing and the papers are aware that people will not simply put up with this situation any more.
The pig being removed from the farm for instance. The manufacturer has now replaced it. What is required is that people are called to account as soon as these things become known. And as pressure builds against Islamophilic actions such as these it will become less natural for a teacher, manufacturer, politician etc to discount what ordinary English people think.
Lol!
No, England is not dead. We HAVE been suffering under 13 years of an anti-Christian regime, and there is hope that things will change.
Are we talking about David and Victoria Beckham? What regime would that be? You know very well that France is going to win, yet you are still going to watch England play? That's excellent.
That's called patriotism! Who exactly? Can you give any names?
I find it very hard to believe that the Scotts have it in for you. The scots are lovely people. All they want in life is to drink whiskey, eat haggis and drink more whiskey. The scotts are the cause of this? wow. Yes. Me too!! It wasn't an attempt at atheism, it was a period in France which was coined with the term: c'est Interdit d'interdit (It is forbidden to forbid). They just had this huge attack against the Church, but deep down they are all ridiculously catholic. Not at all.. we don't have Sharia Courts. The north african populations in France (although mainly muslim) they love France actually. They drink beer, eat pork, clean their teeth, shave...
There's an ENORMOUS amount of Algerians and Moroccans who have converted to Christianity. Believe me if I tell you that a lot of them are Le Pen supporters even.
Let's face it, if England had good beer or wine, there would be no reason to even cross the Channel Tunnel. hahaha.. i'm kidding.. The French will never tolerate a Church in France being converted into a Mosque. They'll kill over it.
I don't understand one thing:
Why do our leaders keep on and on and on saying "we are not at war with islam" when they know very well that Islam is at war with them?? They know very well that they cannot fight an ideology with guns and bullets, why don't they just get out of Saudi Arabia? The US military presence there is pointless now - isn't it?
A large proportion of the last Government were from Scotland. They did and do loath the English. They did plan (because the records of their secret discussions came out) to allow unlimited immigration to undermine English culture. They do despise Christian and English tradition. Many of them are Marxists and have sought over the last decades to produce a highly centralised, atheistic society. To a great extent they succeeded.
They had hoped that Muslim immigrants, 80% of whom vote socialist, could be introduced to diminish a sense of Englishness and therefore allow a centralised state dominance of every day life in which people were afraid to offend, and then afraid of being arrested if they said anything that might possibly offend Muslims and others.
But people have had enough. Things are changing. There are more and more groups monitoring the activities of the state and of Muslim and atheist groups. The fact that 70% of English people consider themselves Christian is a sign that people wish to be identified with our national heritage, even in a loose sense, and do not want to lose it to an alien and anti-Christian religion and those who support it.
Two school boys refused to do a matanya (what's it called in muslim language?), they got detention, and now it's posted all over the news.
I skimmed through it, but thats the gist of it, right?
Why is this really disturbing news? The parents got their case to show in public news, and now it's posted everywhere. Compared to the tragedies in other countries, this is a minor problem. The parents weren't passive about it and made sure to shout out "this is a big deal" to the world. Mistakes happen. The same could happen with a Christian teacher... I guess my point is, this isn't really an issue because they turned it into a big deal and made sure the world knew it was wrong what the teacher did. Ok, so it's over?
I personally think the genocide in Egypt is far more disturbing than a couple of school boys getting detention for two hours.
I also want to add that something similar happened in America. A high school teacher in my community was only letting muslims pass exams, but the situation has been resolved. The teacher was fired, and everything is fine.
Mistakes happen.
But it does seem that it is being challenged by people.
Why does it matter? Because there is an opportunity in England to prevent Islamification, while in Egypt it is 1400 years too late. Muslims are using a different methodology, but it is just as potentially damaging to England. If nothing is done now, then in 100 years we may see the same scenes in England as we see in Egypt.
If you look at Paris, there are parts which have been given over to Muslims. They rule them by force. At times of prayer they just close the streets and take them over and the French police do nothing. If it was Christians they would be dispersed by the police and arrested for obstructing the streets.
None of this is a mistake. Islam is only doing what it has always done, seeking to dominate, by force if necessary, but by being pleasant to start with. Telling lies if necessary. In the UK we are 20 years into a process. It can still be reversed. But if nothing is done then Europe will become Islamic.
Every incident as described needs to be challenged and reversed. It is the same in our Church lives. If we are not vigilant then we fall away. We start by singing one modern Protestant song, and it is allowed, then another, then another, then we stop singing Orthodox hymns, then we spend time at exciting Protestant services, and wonder why the liturgy is going on so long. Then we discover that actually we are Protestants! or Muslims!
Islam is not neutral, even if we know many genuinely kind Muslims. Islam always seeks to dominate and then eliminate other religions. It is what is programmed in the Koran. We cannot rely on Muslims being nice, even if many are. We must defend our families and communities against a dangerous ideology. And this is what Islam is, a political and social ideology, as well as a religion.
If a Republican senator said, 'Anyone who commits a crime should have a hand cut off, and anyone who commits adultery should be killed', he would be universally condemned as barbaric and brutal. Yet there are a great many politicians and social activists, and even religious leaders such as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, who will not criticise Islam (I am not speaking of Muslims, just the ideology) because they are afraid it is racist to criticise the Arab religion. This is not only hypocritical, but it is deadly to the preservation of the freedoms we enjoy in the West. It is like trying to fight with one hand tied behind your back.
Let us all, in the West, be clear what Islam is like and what it teaches. Let us resist it, as much as we should resist godless secularism and the seeking after pleasure. But Islam is the greater danger in my opinion. If I live a depraved life my children always have the hope of seeing the waste of my life and choosing God, indeed many Christians have become such because they have seen the pointlessness of an empty life. If I am a Muslim and bring them up in a Muslim society there is hardly any chance, humanly speaking, of them choosing God, and if they do a tremendous pressure will be applied to them, even to the point of death, to abandon faith.
The country isn't a dictatorship and it's too clean.
I had a feelings someone was going to respond with 'because this is only the beginning'. I understand what you are saying Father, but like I said before, the same thing happened in America. Muslims make up, like what, 5% of the country? What really struck me was that resistance was effective immediately. Islam is growing tremendously, indeed, but I doubt UK will end up like Egypt anytime soon.
The country isn't a dictatorship and it's too clean.
You see that Islam is growing in the States?? Do you actually see more and more people becoming muslim?
The problem is this:
in 2009, there was 189,100 abortions in England and Wales.
(this is a drop by the way since 2008, where it was nearly 200,000). This is abortions per year!!
The birth rates were 10.65 births/1,000 population.
For 2009, there were : 706,248 births. From this 707K births, the percentage of NON British women living in the UK who gave birth exceed those of British (UK born) women.
In summary, the british (indigenous) populations are having more abortions than they are having babies.
Asian women living in the UK and of other ethnic origins, are giving birth at a higher rate than white women.
What religion will their babies be? Well, Mohammad was the most popular boys name in the UK for 2 years in a row.
If this ratio or trend in fertility rates continues continues, within 15 to 40 years, Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK. Right now we are free to criticise it. And even this is limited.
In 15 years time, do you think we will be able to say anything bad about sharia law when its implemented?? It will be implemented in the UK, by the way. We already have 2 muslim Lords, and goodness knows how many muslim MP's and mayors in the UK.
There will come a time when the indigenous British people will not recognise their country. The same for us.
H.E. Bishop Bishoy said that Egypt was Coptic Christian and muslims were our guests. He was corrected very quicky by the Pope who said : "no. We are now the guests in Egypt".
The same will happen for the British citizens. They will feel like guests in their own country one day. I see NO reason what is stopping Arabic from becoming an official language in the UK in 20 years time. If sharia law is implemented, and you have a 50% muslim population in the UK, this 50% will be united. Muslims are already united today. Both fanatical and moderate HAVE the same objectives - and they will have their sharia law in the UK. Complete Sharia. Its a certainty.
You will have 50% voting and selecting the government they want. You will have a solid 50% of the population in the UK deciding what policies the UK will have.
Whilst muslims are successfully united in their aims, we are disputing with our catholic brothers whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son or just the Father. Whilst more Churches are being renovated into Mosques in Belgium, the Catholic Church is being accused of pedophilia.
The indigenous populations are more interested in the dress Kate will wear for the Royal wedding. We have no idea whether an imam will also wed them. If tax payers are paying for the wedding, why should they be wed in a Church for? Why shouldnt the tax payer decide on which religion also weds them?
Whilst all this happening, protestants are attacking the Catholic Church over their inability to understand that the RC is not at all worshipping Icons nor Saint Mary.
This is how we are wasting our time.
Islam is the trojan horse we've allowed into Europe. If Turkey join the EU, it will only precipitate the situation. We will have lost our western civilisation, our Christian Civilisation, our heritage, who we are.
In 40 years time, will you still be allowed to teach English in schools, or will it be arabic? in the UK?
You're no better than Egypt. When Islam came into Egypt, the Copts were united. They were not divided over their religion like we are today with 1000's of different denominations (anglicans, baptists, protestants).
We still didn't succeed in keeping our culture and our heritage. We are lucky if a Coptic Christian gets elected into the lower house of Parliament in Egypt. If a Coptic Christian becomes a Minister, this is huge - and top of that, a senior cabinet minister, this is unthinkable.
This is unthinkable for us to have these things today in our own country. We were the indigenous population of Egypt, and now we are the guests.
What about the UK? France?? Germany?? Spain??
Its a matter of time.
Those whose opinions need to be alerted to this are more interested in what Victoria and David Beckham will wear, or what Lady Gaga will be wearing in the evening. What is the latest Harry Potter movie? Is George Clooney's latest film really worth front page headlines??
If you speak to any of these members of our society, they will tell you: "Who cares, we are just replacing God A with God B.. to me, it doesn't make a difference".
Its possible what you say but Urdu or Punjabi or even Somali are likely to predominate linguistically, not Arabic.
Also, after 1500 years 10% of Egypt's population are Christian. What went wrong with the wicked Muslims' masterplan there? Is Sharia law implemented there?
The Government deflates the number of Christians in Egypt, intentionally. The percentage is more like 15-16%.
My feeling is Christians need to start having 10-12 kids.
officially there is no Sharia Law in Egypt, yet, despite the fact that is the basis for the laws of the land. So whether de fact or de jure, the effect is the same.
The Government deflates the number of Christians in Egypt, intentionally. The percentage is more like 15-16%.
My feeling is Christians need to start having 10-12 kids.
There are 14-18 million Coptic Christians in Egypt , 4 Million outside of Egypt. 8Million left islam in Egypt to be athiest or Christian. The government wont publish these facts and still counts the apostates as Muslims in the I.D and in government.
I really am.
I'm gonna give myself a pat on the back. In the comfort of my own home, going to sites such as ONS and the NHS, I was 100% sure that white british people will be the minority in their countries in 40 years.
(see my post below)
Now take a look at this link just released today in the well respected Daily Telegraph news paper:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8142176/White-Britons-to-become-minority-by-2066.html
I still disagree with this report! Its extremely naive. The report ONLY looks at immigration. It doesn't take into consideration the following situation that I have taken into account:
* High Abortion Rates amongst indigenous british population
* Low abortion rates amongst asian british/foreign nationals
* Marriage rates are in decline in the UK.
Now, if we juxtapose this with the situation in Egypt 1400 years ago, we'll see a few things that are quite startling:
* We had NO (0%) abortions in Coptic Egypt 1400 years ago
* We had NO ethnic divisions - only religious divisions.
* We were united in terms of our faith. The UK is extremely divided in terms of its faith.
Islam is now the dominant religion and christians, their lives, their security, their welfare their religion are now 2nd class.
So, we had more going for us as a country 1400 years ago, and we still lost.
Islam is aggressive. It is programmed, as Fr. Peter said, to rule the world. It is programmed to subdue all other religions, all other cultures.
Whether a muslim is moderate or fanatical, the combined majority of them, in a single state, will only result in them all having the need for the same objective: Sharia/Islamic Law.
Our civilisation will cease to exist in 40 years. Wow!
Enjoy speaking English/French/German whilst you can. Enjoy going to Church if you are in Europe. Make the most of it now. Get used to the Burka, its coming back in fashion very soon!
The ethnic minority population expanded by almost two million between 2001 and 2007, from 13 per cent to nearly 16 per cent of the total.
Immigration accounted for 57 per cent of population growth in this time, and foreign-born mothers now account for a quarter of births in England and Wales.
Both Leicester and Birmingham are expected to become ‘majority minority’ during the 2020s. Two London boroughs were already majority non-white in 2001.
Tory MP Nicholas Soames, who runs the cross-party group Balanced Migration, said: ‘Immigrants over the years have made a great contribution to British life but it’s now really out of control.
‘We must break the link between the right to work here and the right to settle here.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330734/White-Britons-outnumbered-2066-immigration-continues.html#ixzz15dV2aDJ
Are we racist? No. We just don't want our British civilisation be overshadowed by a foreign Islamic civilisation. This isn't racism!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330810/Facebook-death-threats-Teenager-return-school.html
and tell me this:
If this is happening today (2011), what will it be like in 10 years time? If these are young muslim school kids, what are their parents like?? What will these muslim kids be like when they are older???
... and now imagine 50% of the population is the UK is made up of such individuals.
http://voiceofthecopts.org/en/news/muslim_burns_a_young_copt_alive_and_murders_his_father_because_o.html
THanks TiTL for the link.
A man kills another man, his father and attempted murder of his brother, over a RUMOUR?!!!
So, we're not even sure if any of this true, if he did have an affair. Muslims are looking for any excuse to vent their god-sanctioned hatred against us. ANY reason will be OK.