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another attack on Christians
Another attack occurred on a train in Samalout, a city within EL Minia in Egypt where a policemen opened fire at a Copt killing him and injuring another 5 all of whom were Copts. Authorities said he is mentally unstable under the care of an Egyptian psychiatrist, and that he opened fire aimlessly. Trust me I'm not making things up. I hope I can hear masr's opinions if his account hasn't been deactivated...
Oujai
Oujai
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Where did you hear that he was mentally unstable?
Oujai
I guess they used it as an excuse to get rid of someone. I guess a parallel Universe.
Lord have mercy,
Kirie Eleison,
Cyril
It seems you aren't actually following the news. A telephone conversation with one of the victims in the hospital revealed that the man got on the train, scanned people from one end to the other, decided who were Christian (by the appearance of women who aren't veiled and wearing the Cross), turned back to them, shouted allaho akbar, and started shooting at them...
And in case you haven't predicted: police fired tear gas and beat Christians with electric batons, families outside the hospital, and others demonstrating in front of el Minia cathedral as it is called...
May God have mercy and forgive...
Oujai
DEar Michael,
It seems you aren't actually following the news. A telephone conversation with one of the victims in the hospital revealed that the man got on the train, scanned people from one end to the other, decided who were Christian (by the appearance of women who aren't veiled and wearing the Cross), turned back to them, shouted allaho akbar, and started shooting at them...
And in case you haven't predicted: police fired tear gas and beat Christians with electric batons, families outside the hospital, and others demonstrating in front of el Minia cathedral as it is called...
May God have mercy and forgive...
Oujai
According to CNN, he shouted "there is no other god but Allah" whilst he fired at them.
It's dead easy to distinguish who is Muslim and who is Christian in Egypt.
All the support we are seeing and the solidarity from Muslims over last weeks attack is just a facade. It is hypocrisy. They want to show the world that they care, but it's nothing more than marketing.
Oujai
I just can't imagine siting on a train with my mom and my sister and someone comes shoots my mom, shoots my sister and then shoots me.
I mean, How messed up is that!!!
I trust that God is in control and that he uses these evil events for our good but I am just sad, very sad.
And the thing that makes me angry is that after this happened, the media said that it is most likely that the guy who did it is mentally unstable. Also why, in the world, would the police through the tear gas on the hospital???????
May the Lord repose the one person who was martyred, heal and comfort the sick and strengthens all of us.
Ebnyasoo3
Another attack occurred on a train in Samalout, a city within EL Minia in Egypt where a policemen opened fire at a Copt killing him and injuring another 5 all of whom were Copts. Authorities said he is mentally unstable under the care of an Egyptian psychiatrist, and that he opened fire aimlessly. Trust me I'm not making things up. I hope I can hear masr's opinions if his account hasn't been deactivated...
Oujai
too bad no one cares about this news out of the coptic world. everyone is following the arizona stuff and the australian flood. muslims and atheists run the world. they do not want to broadcast anything that has to do with christians or religion.
DEar Michael,
It seems you aren't actually following the news. A telephone conversation with one of the victims in the hospital revealed that the man got on the train, scanned people from one end to the other, decided who were Christian (by the appearance of women who aren't veiled and wearing the Cross), turned back to them, shouted allaho akbar, and started shooting at them...
And in case you haven't predicted: police fired tear gas and beat Christians with electric batons, families outside the hospital, and others demonstrating in front of el Minia cathedral as it is called...
May God have mercy and forgive...
Oujai
Firstly, please check your inbox for a personal message I've sent.
Secondly, as I said in my post, and which remains true, the details at the time this thread was created (as well as when I wrote my post) were far from complete and there was yet no indication that this was anything more than a random crime. In fact, the article is still being updated, the last update being just over 17 hours ago, where as my post was 20 hours ago. Indeed, it was most likely to be a targeted attack, but there is no point in coming to conclusions before having all the details. It does in fact look like he was mentally unstable, and these things often go undetected until its far too late. I'm sure there are many such stories in the USA, but one recent one from here in Ontario, Canada is the commander of a military base (an extremely high ranking official) had been viciously stalking and killing females for several years. Obviously he is mentally unstable, but no one had been able to put the pieces together and realize he was until it was too late. I fail to see how this individual's actions represent all Muslims in Egypt in any way. Even if 99% of Muslims in Egypt hate our brothers and sisters, we should at the very least thank the 1% who have been showing legitimate care and solidarity. It's very bad to brand the entire religion as bad or good, simply because there is no way to examine every single Muslim and see their heart.
I don't want this to turn into the disgusting and degrading debate in the last thread. Let us rather pray for the reposed and may God comfort his family.
- Michael
Only you know how often you go to Egypt, and how close you or your family members are to relations in Egypt. Why I say that is because you give me the impression that you're comparing Egypt to Canada. There are very big differences between the two societies. In fact incomparable. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure if you know this, but this is almost the 4th if not even the 5th or 6th incident that the Egyptian government blame it on a mentally unstable person and the purpose is clear: they will acquit him. There is no way on earth they're going to charge a muslim for killing a non-muslim under sharia law.
Yes there probably is more than just 1% of muslims who genuinely are very good towards Christians, and they may even be better to them than Christians themselves, but the point is those people may even be called impious and infidels by their own religion...
Oujai
You are kidding. I hope you are.
What you posted was ecatly what I was going to wright.
Which ever muslim is good to christians in not a REAL muslim and true in his/her faith.
Their faith is all about killing the infidels as stated in their "holy" book several time.
Cyril
ilovesaintmark,
I find your comment both disrespectful and not edifying to the discussion in any manner.
- Michael Boutros
I am not sure where in anyone's posts previously anybody may have alluded to us hating them. It's very true as you say this is against all Christian teaching. What at least I am trying to say is that if you look in the quran meticulously enough you'll see hatred towards all other religions. The whole dilemma is that western countries are secular, and America may only involve themselves in what their benefit will lead them to but not necessarily protect Copts or Christians in any other country for that matter.
Now look at what islam did to Christianity in Iraq, Indonesia, Lebanon, Yugoslavia, Nigeria, Sudan, and Egypt. Look at what they did in India. Look at what they are doing in Afghanistan. Look at what they did to America, UK, France, Spain, Sweden, etc, just about every country in the world. They are trying with the Jews, but they probably found their match and Israel is of course supported by USA.
So in the end, it is not wrong to generalize because that's the pattern, and it's the sole pattern recurring over and over again.
As for us Christians we continue to show them peace and pray for them as for ourselves, and our God alone is the merciful and just Judge.
Oujai
Your assumptions about my comments are correct.
Oujai
As it says in their book, kill the infidels, it also says in our book, love one another, love your enemy, if someone slapps you on your right or left, give him/her the other (not direct quotes). As we are pointing our a FACT that real muslims kill and muslims by name love, the same goes for us christians. If a christian desides to kill, that doesn't mean that we support that. We love and we are supposed to, they hate and kill, as they are supposed to.
This might sound all confusing but...
LET US PRAY so that they might realize the consequences to their action and so that the world may be full of peace.
God bless, Let us ALL pray,
Cyril
But it seems to me to be entirely proper for us to have a clear idea of those philosophies and ideologies which have been set up against the Church and against that which is good.
We would not say, 'We must not criticise Nazism'. It seems to me that we should not say, 'We must not criticise Islam'. This is the state that Islam wishes us to be placed in. For a time in the West we can still criticise.
There were some good Nazis. But Nazism was evil. To say that Nazism was evil is not to say that everyone who was associated with Nazism was evil. But it is to say that the philosophy of Nazism was evil, and the more a person became imbued with that ideology, the more they were compromised, and their own activities would become corrupted by it.
The differences between Christians who commit crimes and those from some other groups, is that Christians do not claim that the reason they have acted in an evil manner is for the glory of God, while many of the members of some other groups do entirely and completely commit evil in the name of their god and their ideology. The Irish terrorists who set of a bomb in my own town may or may not have considered themselves Catholics, but they did not kill soldiers BECAUSE they were Catholics, but because they were Irish.
When all the bombs went off in London, those who committed these atrocities did not do so because they were Pakistani, but because of some other identity and ideology.
I don't think I need to be more specific.
We would not say, 'We must not criticise Nazism'. It seems to me that we should not say, 'We must not criticise Islam'. This is the state that Islam wishes us to be placed in. For a time in the West we can still criticise.
There were some good Nazis. But Nazism was evil. To say that Nazism was evil is not to say that everyone who was associated with Nazism was evil. But it is to say that the philosophy of Nazism was evil, and the more a person became imbued with that ideology, the more they were compromised, and their own activities would become corrupted by it.
Muslims have a choice. Unless they live in Saudi Arabia, they can convert and have a chance living. I know so many converts in my church alone who converted from Islam and they talk about how wrong it is and how ignorant of a religion it is. Ok many are not converting because of fear but the fact that most of these people are ignorant to their own religion says something. Did the Nazis reject Nazism and see it wrong once they saw other views of life? No they did not and that is why they were held accountable for their crimes in Nuremberg. The Muslims have Christianity right in front of them. The fact that they keep rejecting it and attacking it (I do not care if they reject it but they have no reason to attack it) makes them evil in my eyes. I do not hate them, I just think they are evil. Not all of them but many of them (through their own actions)
I am not quite sure where you disagree with me?
:D :D woopss. I did at first but then i realized i was wrong about what i was writing so i erased it. i guess i forgot to erase that part also! i will change it.