Dear Marmar, ilovesaintmark, and George_Mina_Awad, I hope you could understand what was in the video. I am sure it is not only heartbreaking for those who watch understanding, but those not understanding. If you missed anything ask me, I have a little background on this... Oujai qen `P[C
[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12448.msg145983#msg145983 date=1318410449] Dear Marmar, ilovesaintmark, and George_Mina_Awad, I hope you could understand what was in the video. I am sure it is not only heartbreaking for those who watch understanding, but those not understanding. If you missed anything ask me, I have a little background on this... Oujai qen `P[C
I believe I did. I'm not sure to a specific date or incident, but I remember in the recesses of my memory that it was done at least two times prior in the papacy of Pope Shenouda.
[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12448.msg145996#msg145996 date=1318426813] I believe I did. I'm not sure to a specific date or incident, but I remember in the recesses of my memory that it was done at least two times prior in the papacy of Pope Shenouda.
You said "local" though. I asked about the Holy Synod.
[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12448.msg145996#msg145996 date=1318426813] Is it really that important?
Um... no. I just like having my questions answered :)
1st time: the miracle of moving the mountain NE old Cairo & citadel, named Mokattam (the broken) after that;
2nd time: when Sadat ordered to confine and 'isolate' HH Pope Shenouda III;
3rd time: our current prayers.
Like during the first 2 times: repentance, fasts and prayers are raised to the Lord asking for His protection, to stop the extreme serious threats and the clearly active persecutions against all the Christians of Egypt, especially the COC, to establish peace and justice and to stop evil acting against the Church everywhere.
thanks john s 2000, good post as always :) may God protect u all in egypt, and show us all how we can help (even if we can 'only' fast and pray, this makes a big difference). i got 2 texts 2day from friends to say there is demonstration here in uk sunday 16/10 2.30pm to 4.30pm opposite house of Lords (Old Palace Yard). don't know any more details, but think this is enough information to people who can to attend.
I just want to share one thought (and I hope ilovesaintmark doesn't eat me for saying this...)
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12448.msg146002#msg146002 date=1318434845] Hi all. TITL,
1st time: the miracle of moving the mountain NE old Cairo & citadel, named Mokattam (the broken) after that;
And the Mountain moved.
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12448.msg146002#msg146002 date=1318434845] 2nd time: when Sadat ordered to confine and 'isolate' HH Pope Shenouda III;
And Sadet got shot several times a month later.
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12448.msg146002#msg146002 date=1318434845] 3rd time: our current prayers.
Doesn't anyone else think something extreme will happen? Whenever the Holy Synod declares a fast for the entire church, God's work is always evident almost instantly.
Once again, I'm just wondering outloud, not complaining: of all the times the church has been attacked, why has the Holy Synod declared a fast now? We've had worse attacks/days as a Church (Nag Hammadi, bombing in Alexandria, Jan 26th..etc).. not to mention how rare it is for the Holy Synod to delcare fasts...
1. to prepare those who will die; 2. those that will live through the violence and destruction; 3. an appreciation for the suffering of others; 4. The larger issue: the ominous cloud that looms with even more to come.
Unfortunately this is just a prelude and "appetizer". We haven't hit the main course, yet.
There are protests and marches also to be held in the USA and in France I've heard, also very soon in Australia. Check such details on many Christian & Coptic TVs and Coptic Yahoo groups, etc. I'll try to notify you here or by PM on time if I am sure of the details.
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is SO HEARTBREAKING! :'(
I cried while watching this woman talking.
I think it is one of the reasons that the Liturgy has as a focal point a cry for mercy repetitively.
I hope you could understand what was in the video. I am sure it is not only heartbreaking for those who watch understanding, but those not understanding. If you missed anything ask me, I have a little background on this...
Oujai qen `P[C
This!!!! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOw0FCOyWvY&feature=player_embedded
is SO HEARTBREAKING! :'(
I cried while watching this woman talking.
[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12448.msg145983#msg145983 date=1318410449]
Dear Marmar, ilovesaintmark, and George_Mina_Awad,
I hope you could understand what was in the video. I am sure it is not only heartbreaking for those who watch understanding, but those not understanding. If you missed anything ask me, I have a little background on this...
Oujai qen `P[C
An English translation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkha6kipvI&feature=channel_video_title
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Is it really that important?
Maybe someone else will chime in with specifics.
I believe I did. I'm not sure to a specific date or incident, but I remember in the recesses of my memory that it was done at least two times prior in the papacy of Pope Shenouda.
You said "local" though. I asked about the Holy Synod.
[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=12448.msg145996#msg145996 date=1318426813]
Is it really that important?
Um... no. I just like having my questions answered :)
TITL,
1st time: the miracle of moving the mountain NE old Cairo & citadel, named Mokattam (the broken) after that;
2nd time: when Sadat ordered to confine and 'isolate' HH Pope Shenouda III;
3rd time: our current prayers.
Like during the first 2 times: repentance, fasts and prayers are raised to the Lord asking for His protection, to stop the extreme serious threats and the clearly active persecutions against all the Christians of Egypt, especially the COC, to establish peace and justice and to stop evil acting against the Church everywhere.
GBU
:)
may God protect u all in egypt, and show us all how we can help (even if we can 'only' fast and pray, this makes a big difference).
i got 2 texts 2day from friends to say there is demonstration here in uk sunday 16/10 2.30pm to 4.30pm opposite house of Lords (Old Palace Yard).
don't know any more details, but think this is enough information to people who can to attend.
http://www.unitedcopts.org/
please tell everyone.
I just want to share one thought (and I hope ilovesaintmark doesn't eat me for saying this...)
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12448.msg146002#msg146002 date=1318434845]
Hi all.
TITL,
1st time: the miracle of moving the mountain NE old Cairo & citadel, named Mokattam (the broken) after that;
And the Mountain moved.
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12448.msg146002#msg146002 date=1318434845]
2nd time: when Sadat ordered to confine and 'isolate' HH Pope Shenouda III;
And Sadet got shot several times a month later.
[quote author=John_S2000 link=topic=12448.msg146002#msg146002 date=1318434845]
3rd time: our current prayers.
Doesn't anyone else think something extreme will happen? Whenever the Holy Synod declares a fast for the entire church, God's work is always evident almost instantly.
Once again, I'm just wondering outloud, not complaining: of all the times the church has been attacked, why has the Holy Synod declared a fast now? We've had worse attacks/days as a Church (Nag Hammadi, bombing in Alexandria, Jan 26th..etc).. not to mention how rare it is for the Holy Synod to delcare fasts...
1. to prepare those who will die;
2. those that will live through the violence and destruction;
3. an appreciation for the suffering of others;
4. The larger issue: the ominous cloud that looms with even more to come.
Unfortunately this is just a prelude and "appetizer". We haven't hit the main course, yet.
There are protests and marches also to be held in the USA and in France I've heard, also very soon in Australia. Check such details on many Christian & Coptic TVs and Coptic Yahoo groups, etc. I'll try to notify you here or by PM on time if I am sure of the details.
This page may help you if you wish to translate web pages written in Arabic only:
http://translate.google.com/translate_n?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.amcoptic.com/
Paste the URL you'd like to read in the box then press the translate btn. Press Translate to see an example. These translations are not very accurate but the text can be read.
http://www.truthsat.tv/
http://www.hopesat.tv/E_Home.php
http://www.atvsat.com/
http://www.alkarmatv.com/en
etc. pages in Arabic may be more up to date - check their FB links, words like petition, events, calendar etc.
EDIT: The NKS in Holland will make a protest march this Saturday. A protest during week ends may be less effective, it's welcomed though.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.christian-dogma.com%2Fvb%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D1608312
In Paris this week end too, and a major one on the 19th(?) in the USA but I don't know the details yet. Locally many are already expressing their total refusal regarding the Maspero massacre, also groups of Cairo Univ students.
GBU
BTW Protestants of Egypt have also joined the fasts and the prayers with the COC.
http://youtu.be/yjW4oHSWc7w
(Arabic)
GBU