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2 Canonizations
The Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church officially canonized both H.H. Pope Kyrollos 6th and Archdeacon Habib Girgis as Saints today.
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The rule of "50 years period needed for canonization after the departure of a believer" was often cited to explain the delay in canonization of Pope Kyrillos VI and other saints. They were very rigid about it.
Now, only 42 years have elapsed since the departure of Pope Kyrillos VI, the saintly Pope and the greatest father we had in the past 10 centuries.
Did the Synod make an exception only for this case? Are they going to observe this rule in the future?
The church was named St. Mina and Pope Cyrill the Pillar of faith. Says it all. Not named after Cyril and Athanasius, Cyril and Dioscoros, Cyril and Leo (that was just a joke to get a rise out of you Stavro haha)
In any case, I don't think Pope Kyrellos would have minded if we waited another 8 years for this, but here we are. Lets just hope that is one exception.
RO
Anyone know where this rule of 50 is found in the canonical corpus? Or perhaps it is just one of those rules that became such in the collective consciousness of the Church by being repeated so often? Do other Apostolic Churches observe a similar rule?
Part of the problem is the abysmal state of Canon Law in the Coptic Church...there is no such thing as a Pedalion of Coptic Canon Law, but at least we can easily access the canons of the first three ecumenical synods, as well as the canons of the medieval patriarchs (Ibn Turaik, Cycil bin Laqlaq, Athanasius...etc) and finally Al-Magmou Al-Safawi.
Maybe they do not know the difference between both saints. Probably they do not know that the Pillar of Faith is a title of Cyril I and attach to Cyril VI.
Well, please note that the Pillar of Faith does not perform miracles and does not sell books. His asheyah does not attract many people. Even his books talk about the nature of Christ and not about feel good Christianity. What is the use of him? ;D
There is no problem at all with this. After all, Leo is depicted with Archangel Michael in many icons of the great Archangels.
As I understand it (mind you, I am nothing of a "Canonist") the Coptic Church does not really have a set of canons that we can call authoritative. most rules are word of mouth and are obeyed as best as the synod sees it. The authoritatice canons are generally pre-chalcedon before we were left in shambles. As such, I do not have any problem with the Synod canonizing early at all. Im sorry if any of my messages made it seems as such. Truth be told, a saint is a saint far before they die, whether we announce it 50 years after or a week after, or that night at dinner is, in my opinion, secondary.
What I am saying is that it is good to allow much time to pass from the death of a person before canonization so as to allow for hysteria to die down. Both those who violently oppose a person and those who religiously follow a person would die out, and the decision would be clearer. I believe this is the reason of the supposed 50 years.
I am not sure, Ramez, about other churches, or their canons. I will take a look and get back to you. I know that the Catholic church, as per its nature, probably has 22 and a half encyclicals written on this. ;D ;D ;D
RO
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It should be Axioi Axioi Axioi :)
Love you Qawe :)
Ray
yes it's the same rule but there is no "p" in proper Coptic pronunciation..
oujai
i am happy with the news, i feel better about kissing my pope kyrillos picture now
;)
this habeeb girgis, is he the one whose daughter wrote the coptic history book?
coz i could probably find a picture of his to kiss next time i'm in central england
Habib Girgis was celibate.
i know less than 100 saints; need to catch up!
;)
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Pronounced axeyee
My bad
On OC.net they write Axioi, I guess they don't have OB pronunciation there
Hmmm OB doesn't apply to greek I thought
RO
There is no problem at all with this. After all, Leo is depicted with Archangel Michael in many icons of the great Archangels.
WHAT???!!! What so-called "icons" depict Leo this way?
He means these lol. Man, only Stavro could make a staunch ecumenist like myself laugh at a joke like that. What can I say? 'Twas an excellent comeback!
RO
:P
i think saint mina was smiling more than usual on his feast day today because saint baba kyrillos (do we still call him pope if we call him saint?) is canonised too!
thanks for the article on saint habib girgis, but i often wondered, surely people in the coptic church taught their children before the 'modern' sunday school movement with deacons classes and choirs for girls and boys etc.
what was it like in the really old days?
did kids' education get less in the time of the ottoman empire?
am missing bits of egyptian history!
please help!
:)
He means these lol. Man, only Stavro could make a staunch ecumenist like myself laugh at a joke like that. What can I say? 'Twas an excellent comeback!
RO
Lol, OK. I need to learn how to take a joke, because I almost had a heart attack! Hahahaha.
Yalla, imbesetee ya mabsoota :D
(Lets see if that made sense)
RO
i guess the word 'mabsoota' originally refers to someone naive or innocent and it came to mean 'happy' in colloquial egyptian arabic at a later stage.
so i'm sorry i can't guess whether 'imbaseetee' is from the 'happy' shade of meaning of 'baseet' or from the 'simple' one.
can you help me?
(the simple, happy copt)
It means get happy, happy.
Ray
so i am assuming it's from the same root, but maybe someone else can help us.
oujai
;D
so if it's only colloquial, then will non egyptians arabic speakers not understand it?
oujai