Communion

Couple of high school
girls in Sunday school asked "why abouna denies girls/women from communion
during their period?"

The answer ÷ received
from abouna is "we don't deny them communion, we rather excuse them!"
of course one might say it is in the bible. Old testament (
ناموس
موسى
) bu after Christ came to free us from the law of Mouses, should we still be tied to this particular part of it? I promised my class to prepare a talk about this subject and we will discuss it, but unfortunately I am not getting any answer that make sense. Any help would be appreciated     

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  • The early Church excused women due to the fact there were not many churches and partaking of the mysteries required travelling. In the early centuries of Christianity, there were no painkillers so that women could carry daily functions normally without going through a lot of pain. Also, supplies women use today were nonexistent at that time. Thus, the Church excused them back then from going to church that they may rest and not feel obliged to go or feel guilty for not going. However, this does not mean that women were considered unclean in Christianity as the case was with the Mosaic Law as St. Athanasius the Apostolic explains in his letters that he sent during his exile. He made it clear that the Spiritual banquet of the Eucharist cannot be stopped or made unclean through a bodily or a physical disease/ health issue or deformity. No physical practice can stop or come in the way of the spiritual work of the Eucharist. The Apostles made it clear that Christians are not under the Law of Moses since the first century in the Council of Jerusalem mentioned in the book of Acts. "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to usm to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangles and from sexual immorality" (Acts 15: 28-29)Thus, it is not a matter of the Law, sexism, being clean or unclean, or preparation for the Liturgy. In fact, even if such time is considered a time of weakness [emotionally or physically], then women are in most need for the Eucharist as the Eucharist is a source of strength for those who partake of it. Yes it is a spiritual banquet and has nothing to do directly with physical health but that does not change the fact that spiritual practices have a positive comforting effect on the human being as a whole. Unfortunately, Pope Dionysus claimed this exemption from taking communion a rule that women must follow. This rule should change as we live in the 21st century and plenty of churches, painkillers and supplies used by women when they are on their period are found. It is clearly a rule that does not go parallel with the spirit of the Bible and goes against what St. Athanasius said. 
    If you need more info about preparation for Liturgy and its relationship with the body and its needs, I recommend reading كتاب التطهيرات الجسدية للدكتور جورج بباوي.  
  • Thank you so much Youssef, I have not heard such detailed explanation before and I guess I know why
    Also thanks for suggesting the book, God bless you, 
  • It is true we have some later church fathers like St. Dionysius the Great who made it a rule not to partake of the Eucharist during the period, but there is also St. Athanasius who, although writing about men with nocturnal emissions, seem to imply theologically (in his letter to Amun) that what comes out naturally from a human being which is "unprovoked" should not hinder one from the Eucharist.  An even earlier source is the Didascalia, written around 230 AD, which I think is worth quoting:

    [vi. 21] But if there be any who are precise and desire, after the Second Legislation, to observe the wonted courses of nature and issues and marriage intercourse: first let them know that, as we have already said, together with the Second Legislation they affirm the curse against our Saviour and condemn themselves to no purpose. And again, let them tell us, in what days or in what hours they keep themselves from prayer and from receiving the Eucharist, or from reading the Scriptures -- let them tell us whether they are void of the Holy Spirit. For through baptism they receive the Holy Spirit, who is ever with those that work righteousness, and does not depart from them by reason of natural issues and the intercourse of marriage, but is ever and always with those who possess Him, and keeps them; as the Lord said in Proverbs: If thou sleep. he keepeth thee; and when thou awakest, he will speak with thee [Prov 6.22]And in the Gospel also our Lord said: Everyone that hath, there shall be given to him, and shall be added unto him; but from him that hath not, even that which he thinketh he hath shall be taken away [Lk 8.18 (Mt 8.12, 25.29; Mk 4.25)]To those therefore who have, yea, it shall be added unto them; but from those [[244]] who think that they have not, even that which they think they have shall be taken away.

    For if thou think, O woman, that in the seven days of thy flux thou art void of the Holy Spirit; if thou die in those days, thou wilt depart empty and without hope. But if (p. 116) the Holy Spirit is always in thee, without ( just) impediment dost thou keep thyself from prayer and from the Scriptures and from the Eucharist. For consider and see, that prayer also is heard through the Holy Spirit, and the Eucharist through the Holy Spirit is accepted and sanctified, and the Scriptures are the words of the Holy Spirit, and are holy. For if the Holy Spirit is in thee, why dost thou keep thyself from approaching to the works of the Holy Spirit? as those who say: Whosoever sweareth by the altar, sinneth not; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, sinneth. As our Lord said: Fools and blind, whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Everyone therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all that is upon it, And every one that sweareth by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And every one that sweareth by the heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon [Mt 23.18-22]If therefore thou possess the Holy Spirit, but keep thyself from His fruits so that thou approach not to them, thou also shalt hear from our Lord Jesus Christ: 'Fool and blind, whether is greater, the bread, or the Spirit that {sanctifieth the bread?' Therefore, if the Holy Spirit} thou possessest: fool, thou keepest vain observances. But if the Holy Spirit is not in thee, how canst thou work righteousness? For the Holy Spirit continues ever with those who possess Him; but from whom He departs, to him an unclean [[246]] spirit joins himself. For the unclean spirit, when he is gone out from a man, departeth and goeth about in waterless places -- that is, men who go not down into the water (of baptism) -- and when he hath found him no rest, he saith: I will return to my former house, whence I came out. If therefore he come and find it empty and swept and garnished, then he goeth and taketh with him seven other spirits worse than himself, and they come and dwell in that man; and his last state is made worse than the first [Mt 12.43-45].

    Learn now, why, when the unclean spirit is gone out, he finds him no rest in any place: because every man soever is filled with a spirit, one with the Holy Spirit, and one with an unclean spirit. A believer is filled with the Holy Spirit, and an unbeliever with an unclean spirit: and his nature does not receive an alien spirit. He therefore who has withdrawn and separated himself and departed from the unclean spirit by baptism, is filled with (p. 117) the Holy Spirit; and if he do good works, the Holy Spirit continues with him, and he remains fulfilled; and the unclean spirit finds no place with him, for he who is filled with the Holy Spirit does not receive him. For all men are filled with their own spirit; and the unclean spirits depart not even a little from the heathen, while yet they are heathens, even though they imagine that they do good works; for there is no other power whereby the unclean spirit may depart save by the pure and holy Spirit of God. Thus, then, when he has nowhere found him a place to enter, he returns and comes to him from whom he went forth; because one who is filled with the Holy Spirit does not receive him.

    Thou then, O woman, according as thou sayest, (if) in the [[248]] days of thy flux thou art void, thou shalt be filled with unclean spirits. For when the unclean spirit returns to thee and finds him a place, he will enter and dwell in thee always: and then will there be entering in of the unclean spirit and going forth of the Holy Spirit, and perpetual warfare. Wherefore, O foolish (women), these misfortunes befall you because of your imaginings; and because of the observances which you keep, and on account of your imaginings, you are emptied of the Holy Spirit and filled with unclean spirits: and you are cast out from life into the burning of everlasting fire. But again I will say to thee, O woman: In the seven days of thy flux thou accountest thyself unclean according to the Second Legislation: after seven days, therefore, how canst thou be cleansed without baptism? But if thou be baptized for that which thou supposest, thou wilt undo the perfect baptism of God which wholly forgave thee thy sins, and wilt be found in the evil plight of thy former sins; and thou shalt be delivered over to eternal fire. But if thou be not baptized, according to thine own supposition thou remainest unclean, and the vain observing of the seven days has availed thee nothing, but is rather hurtful to thee; for according to thy supposition thou art unclean, and as unclean thou shalt be condemned.

  • This is great, thank you so much for this wonderful source of the Early Christian Writing.

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