I really need help. What are you supposed to say when there is a Bishop AND a Metropolitan? Specifically in things like Aketchee and Empeniot (after the absolution of the servants)?? What about Hitens??
In most cases where you have "nem peniot en episkopos" (and our father the bishop...) you add the Metropolitan's name first (as mabsoota said above)
"nem peniot em metropolitis Abba <metropolitan> nem peniot en episkopos abba <bishop>"
"and our father the metropolitan Abba <> and our father the bishop Abba <>"
In some cases, like verses of cymbals or Rejoice O Mary, you would add a new verse before the bishop verse: "nem pefkeshfeer en litorgos peniot ethowab en dikeos Abba <met> pimetropolitis matagrof hijen pefethronos" "and his partner in the liturgy our holy righteous father Abba <> the Metropolitan confirm him upon his throne"
Or in the Hiten (hymn of intercessions) "hiten noevki areh eponkh empeniot ettaiot en dikeos Abba <met> pimetropolitis, Pchois..." "Through their prayers keep the life of our honored righteous father Abba <Met> the Metropolitan, O Lord..."
I thought that it technically goes 1. patriarch 2. metropolitan 3. diocese bishop 4. visiting bishops in priority of rank
I have even seen some people switch 2 and 3 (which makes sense if a metropolitan is visiting outside his diocese). In reality, almost everyone groups the metropolitans and bishops in "netke neman" and none of the metropolitans and bishops actually care about the order at all.
Strangely, I been to a liturgy where the bishops are named by seniority, so it didn't matter if the older bishop is only a general bishop, his name went first.
I have always thought it was by rank too, but the head chanter whispered "by age".
And how will the head chanter know each bishops age? It's not public information. If two bishops were the same age, would we simply flip a coin? Or what if a metropolitan and a bishop were the same age? Is the head chanter going to ask each clergy his age first? On the other hand, date of ordination is commonly known - which is how we typically assign rank. But this doesn't override type of bishop.
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"nem pefkeshfeer en litorgos peniot ethowab en dikeos Abba <met> pimetropolitis matagrof hijen pefethronos"
"and his partner in the liturgy our holy righteous father Abba <> the Metropolitan confirm him upon his throne"
"hiten noevki areh eponkh empeniot ettaiot en dikeos Abba <met> pimetropolitis, Pchois..."
"Through their prayers keep the life of our honored righteous father Abba <Met> the Metropolitan, O Lord..."
1. patriarch
2. metropolitan
3. diocese bishop
4. visiting bishops in priority of rank
I have even seen some people switch 2 and 3 (which makes sense if a metropolitan is visiting outside his diocese). In reality, almost everyone groups the metropolitans and bishops in "netke neman" and none of the metropolitans and bishops actually care about the order at all.
I have always thought it was by rank too, but the head chanter whispered "by age".