Hymn of Demas Lyrics and Hymnology

Daniel_Kyrillos

So this lesson exists of a hymn called Wouniatk `n;ok w Dimac and I noticed the words do not match up with those on here, nor with Fr. Isaiah's recording. I asked some of the other deacons at my church and said that Fr. Isaiah's recording was some bogus thing, and not what Moa3lem Mikhail had recording. If you check the comments of this video I linked, Peter (the person doing the lesson) defends his use of the hymn, citing that HCOC Canada has verified this.

Personally, I believe this is a much more fitting hymn for the season than Fr. Isaiah's version, since this has portions from <rictoc Anecti and Vai etafEnf and the long 3rd Hoos, which all seem fitting. 

Does anyone have the full Coptic lyrics, and any input on whether this hymn is valid?

Pray for me.

minatasgeel

Without getting into which way is more "fitting"...since there isn't really guidelines to follow to make an objective argument towards either, the text we have on tasbeha.org is from a printed source (Pascha Book of Heg Fr Attalla Arsanius El-muharraqi i think--i'll confirm that soon). This version also follows other printed sources and Fr. Isaiah says it in those words. Now, whatever is being taught in the youtube video, he prob just learned it from HCOC. The source recording of which HCOC learned from (i even had it before they produced their Holy Week CDs), is so damaged that you cannot make out most of the words. So, Albair changed the text to match that of the recording, had language scholars review the text, and published it in his 3rd ed khidmit shamas. In fact, he has both versions in pg 629.

So, there isn't really a problem here as long as you are aware of why there is a difference in the text. 

minamakar

If you are asking if the tune of the hymn is valid, the answer is yes. The source for the hymn is Cantor Wadi3 El-Komos Matta

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SyqBGX2bej-iZFnmqT4Oi-ZOeP9ez-u1

Bear in mind that he records the hymn with the same text as Albair, while the modern-day Cantors record it with the text you linked to above. Albair does list both texts in his book, as Mina stated. Personally, I find that the musical progression of this hymn fits better and makes more sense accompanying the text found on this site.

Cantor Zaher Andrawis

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FuyrjKQYqOH3c8oq2qpUqjAZWbnnAmAX

Cantor Ilia Boules

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s5_bAiZxTe48VCdfuAPNhYXGH8yo6gDB

Cantor Amir Saleh

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SZpJ0oo77xBeFINaoBJR3FzBR2omCtvs

Text

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vv31keXONlvmKoQmyKbDm8qfAD5Fo3pJ

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1A8OYTs2r00uGh79dHpfnieSC2-fTyxfJ

Daniel_Kyrillos

@minamakar @minatasgeel so is Fr. Isaiah's version of the hymn equally valid as the longer one recorded by all these other Cantors?

minatasgeel

@Daniel_Kyrillos...yes it's valid because the teaching he received taught him to construct the hymn this way.  

minamakar

Although one rendition may be more mainstream, both renditions are considered valid and should be preserved.