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The atonement
How do some think that the sin of Adam hasn't caused a penalty? How do they say that Adam's sin isn't inherited? How do say that we didn't have a penalty imposed upon us because of Adam's transgression?
Here is what St Cyril taught:
"For let us see, if you will, even from the writings of Moses, the grief to which disobedience has brought us. We have been driven from a paradise of delights, and have also fallen under THE CONDEMNATION OF DEATH; and while intended for incorruption:----for so God created the universe:----we yet have become ACCURSED, and subject to the yoke of sin. And how then have we escaped from that which befel us, or Who is He that aided us, when we had sunk into this great misery? It was the Only-begotten Word of God, by submitting Himself to our estate, and being found in fashion as a man, and becoming obedient unto the Father even unto death. Thus has the guilt of the disobedience that is by Adam been remitted: thus has the power of the curse ceased, and the dominion of death been brought to decay. And this too Paul teaches, saying, "For as by the disobedience of the one man, the many became sinners, so by the obedience of the One, the many became righteous." FOR THE HOLE NATURE OF MAN BECAME GUILTY IN THE PERSON OF HIM who was first formed; but now it is wholly justified again in Christ. For He became for us the second commencement of our race after that primary one; and therefore all things in Him have become new. And Paul assures of this, writing, "Therefore every man who is in Christ is a new creation; and the former things have passed away: behold, they have become new." Sermon 42 on the gospel of Luke.
"We must inquire how Adam, the first forefather, TRANSMITTED TO US THE PENALTY IMPOSED UPON HIM FOR HIS TRANSGRESSION. He had heard 'Earth thou art and to the earth shalt thou return', and from being incorruptible he became corruptible and was made subject to the bonds of death. But since he produced children after falling into this state we, his descendants, are corruptible, coming from a corruptible source. THUS IS THAT THAT WE ARE HEIRS OF ADAM'S CURSE. That cannot mean at all that we are punished for having disobeyed ALONG WITH HIM the divine injunction which he received; it means that he became mortal, as I said, and TRANSMITTED THE CURSE to his seed after him (for we are born mortal from a mortal source) whereas our Lord Jesus Christ who bears the title 'second Adam' and is a second beginning of our race after the first, re-formed us into incorruptibility by assaulting death, nullifying it in his own flesh and in him the force of the primal curse has been broken. This is why all-wise Paul says that as 'through man came death, so also through man came the resurrection of the dead'; and again, 'As in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive.' SO CORRUPTION AND DEATH ARE THE UNIVERSAL AND GENERAL PENALTY INVOLVED IN ADAM'S TRANSGRESSION; likewise the general ransom with respect to all men has been accomplished finally in Christ. For man's nature in him put off that death which had been attached to it through the first man's being made mortal. But the father of each of us, though he is hallowed through the Holy Spirit and obtains the forgiveness of his sins, does not hand on the gift to US. For there is one who hallows ail, justifies and restores them to incorruption, Jesus Christ our Lord, and through him and from him the gift comes to all alike. Forgiveness of sin and dissolution of death are different things. Each enjoy forgiveness of his own offences in Christ through the holy Spirit. All of us in common are released from the primal penalty imposed upon us, the penalty of death I mean, which reaches all in its course, in resemblance to the first who fell into death. That is why all-wise Paul says that 'Death ruled from Adam to Moses over those who had sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression. For whilst there was law, the penalty of death held sway. But after Christ's dawn, righteousness entered in, justifying by grace and warding off our bodies' corruption."
St Cyril, Select letters, Doctrinal answers and questions, answer 6
I noticed that what those guys object to is that sin has no existence. And what they don't understand is that we don't inherit sin genetically. The whole thing is that we have sinned in Adam (not along with him of course),
as St Cyril said:
"But also to the removal and overturning of the dishonor we deserved since we SINNED FIRST IN Adam and trampled on the divine command. He is dishonored in our place since he bears our sins, as the prophet says" Commentary on John 18, vol. 2, PG 322
And also:
"For we are united to Him just as also we were united to Adam, when he brought upon himself the penalty of death." Commentary on Luke, sermon 142
How does anyone dare to say anything different after all of this? I wonder how do some priests also teach the same falsehood, which was anathematized both by Pope Shenouda and Pope Tawadrus.
Here is what St Cyril taught:
"For let us see, if you will, even from the writings of Moses, the grief to which disobedience has brought us. We have been driven from a paradise of delights, and have also fallen under THE CONDEMNATION OF DEATH; and while intended for incorruption:----for so God created the universe:----we yet have become ACCURSED, and subject to the yoke of sin. And how then have we escaped from that which befel us, or Who is He that aided us, when we had sunk into this great misery? It was the Only-begotten Word of God, by submitting Himself to our estate, and being found in fashion as a man, and becoming obedient unto the Father even unto death. Thus has the guilt of the disobedience that is by Adam been remitted: thus has the power of the curse ceased, and the dominion of death been brought to decay. And this too Paul teaches, saying, "For as by the disobedience of the one man, the many became sinners, so by the obedience of the One, the many became righteous." FOR THE HOLE NATURE OF MAN BECAME GUILTY IN THE PERSON OF HIM who was first formed; but now it is wholly justified again in Christ. For He became for us the second commencement of our race after that primary one; and therefore all things in Him have become new. And Paul assures of this, writing, "Therefore every man who is in Christ is a new creation; and the former things have passed away: behold, they have become new." Sermon 42 on the gospel of Luke.
"We must inquire how Adam, the first forefather, TRANSMITTED TO US THE PENALTY IMPOSED UPON HIM FOR HIS TRANSGRESSION. He had heard 'Earth thou art and to the earth shalt thou return', and from being incorruptible he became corruptible and was made subject to the bonds of death. But since he produced children after falling into this state we, his descendants, are corruptible, coming from a corruptible source. THUS IS THAT THAT WE ARE HEIRS OF ADAM'S CURSE. That cannot mean at all that we are punished for having disobeyed ALONG WITH HIM the divine injunction which he received; it means that he became mortal, as I said, and TRANSMITTED THE CURSE to his seed after him (for we are born mortal from a mortal source) whereas our Lord Jesus Christ who bears the title 'second Adam' and is a second beginning of our race after the first, re-formed us into incorruptibility by assaulting death, nullifying it in his own flesh and in him the force of the primal curse has been broken. This is why all-wise Paul says that as 'through man came death, so also through man came the resurrection of the dead'; and again, 'As in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive.' SO CORRUPTION AND DEATH ARE THE UNIVERSAL AND GENERAL PENALTY INVOLVED IN ADAM'S TRANSGRESSION; likewise the general ransom with respect to all men has been accomplished finally in Christ. For man's nature in him put off that death which had been attached to it through the first man's being made mortal. But the father of each of us, though he is hallowed through the Holy Spirit and obtains the forgiveness of his sins, does not hand on the gift to US. For there is one who hallows ail, justifies and restores them to incorruption, Jesus Christ our Lord, and through him and from him the gift comes to all alike. Forgiveness of sin and dissolution of death are different things. Each enjoy forgiveness of his own offences in Christ through the holy Spirit. All of us in common are released from the primal penalty imposed upon us, the penalty of death I mean, which reaches all in its course, in resemblance to the first who fell into death. That is why all-wise Paul says that 'Death ruled from Adam to Moses over those who had sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression. For whilst there was law, the penalty of death held sway. But after Christ's dawn, righteousness entered in, justifying by grace and warding off our bodies' corruption."
St Cyril, Select letters, Doctrinal answers and questions, answer 6
I noticed that what those guys object to is that sin has no existence. And what they don't understand is that we don't inherit sin genetically. The whole thing is that we have sinned in Adam (not along with him of course),
as St Cyril said:
"But also to the removal and overturning of the dishonor we deserved since we SINNED FIRST IN Adam and trampled on the divine command. He is dishonored in our place since he bears our sins, as the prophet says" Commentary on John 18, vol. 2, PG 322
And also:
"For we are united to Him just as also we were united to Adam, when he brought upon himself the penalty of death." Commentary on Luke, sermon 142
How does anyone dare to say anything different after all of this? I wonder how do some priests also teach the same falsehood, which was anathematized both by Pope Shenouda and Pope Tawadrus.
Comments
The quotes you have read prove that death wasn't just a consequence, it was "THE UNIVERSAL AND GENERAL PENALTY INVOLVED IN ADAM'S TRANSGRESSION". Because they deny that it was a penalty.
I mentioned this quote "But also to the removal and overturning of the dishonor we deserved since we SINNED FIRST IN Adam and trampled on the divine command. He is dishonored in our place since he bears our sins, as the prophet says" Commentary on John 18, vol. 2, PG 322., which clearly speaks about the act itself, that we've sinned in Adam.
Anyone who follows a condemned teaching is condemned.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/penalty
A penalty Δικη is what is done for a sinner. Don't use an English dictionary please. I didn't say that a penalty is the action originally. A penalty is a justful judgment.
George Habib Bebawey was not condemned but for his false teaching. And of course he wasn't so bad that if the others taught the same he only would be condemned. The teaching is heresy, the one who teaches it is a heretic. Even George Habib Bebawy and any heretic is a son of God since he was baptized.
The inheritance of sin means that we have sinned in Adam, just like we inherit justification in Christ our second father.
St Cyril said: "As we are condemned in Adam for disobedience and transgression of the divine command, so we have been justified in Christ because of his utter faultlessness and his total, immaculate obedience." Answers to Tiberius: 13
It doesn't mean that we sinned along with Adam, but in him. "For we are united to Him just as also we were united to Adam, when he brought upon himself the penalty of death." Commentary on Luke, sermon 142
Can you deny that we have sinned in Adam and have been justified in Christ? If not, so you believe that the sin of Adam is inherited. If yes, so you reject the teaching of St Cyril, who clearly said that we are heirs of Adam's curse
It isn't Cyril's teaching only though, but he is the clearest one who explained it.
+God Bless+
My main interest is what exactly HH Pope Kyrillos VI did with him? What were His Holiness’ actions, etc. ?