HELP!! IS IT TRUE?

egyptiankrkr

last night on the tv there was something on primetime that archelogists found somthis (gospel of judas) did any one hear about it?????
they did something called carbon dating and it was really old ..... it is written in coptic???? and it was written during conversations between jesus and judas.. this book is telling the whole oppisite of wht i was taught. it says that jesus acctually asked judas to turn him...............?????????????? did someone hear this story...............is it true.......??is it possible???would it affect us? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Andrew Saad

We only beleive in the four gospels that are currently in the Bible anything else is considered false.

Unknown

"But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who brought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgement has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber." (2 Peter 2:1-3)

People try to prove that Christianity is wrong just to get famous, and they will do that in any possible ways. I looked up this gospel of judas and it says that they only recovered half the book. So, there were A LOT of assumptions made when re-creating the gospel. And, of course, they will make assumptions that go against Christianity just so that there will be plenty of debates and so they will get more money and become famous.

Andrew Saad

That is a very good explination thanks.

CopticPete

also dont forget, the book wasnt actually in conversation with jesus, but was written 300AD (300 years after christ) so that is one of the main reasons we dont beleive it. There are many such gospels such as the gospel of Mary and so forth, but these were written way after christ, and coudlnt be from christ's words. Also, most of these gospels were written after the person that claimed to have written it died, so they cant be real.

hope that helps

WMA

Here is a link to an article http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1748968,00.html

Believer in God

I recieved this article which states the view of our Church on this issue. It does not fit on the attachments folder so I please allow me to just paste it onto this reply:

In his own words: Judas the betrayer was really Judas the chosen one

Gospel truth ... Caravaggio's take on Judas's betrayal, left, and Judas's gospel. Scripture image courtesy of Dr Charles Hedrick
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By Linda Morris, Religious Affairs Reporter
April 7, 2006
A 1700-year-old papyrus manuscript suggests history has misjudged the greatest villian of Christianity: Judas was under orders when he betrayed Jesus.
The only known surviving copy of the lost gospel of Judas portrays the treacherous disciple as a loyal deputy acting at the behest of his leader.
In fact, Judas sold Jesus out as an act of obedience not treachery, thereby fulfilling his theological destiny. Key passages from the third or fourth century Coptic manuscript were released by its publisher, the National Geographic Society, last night, a week before Easter, the holiest time of the Christian calendar.
The society, which is rumoured to have purchased publishing rights for more than $1 million, plans magazine articles, television specials and book deals amid concerns about the ethics of ancient acquisitions.
The society's panel of scholars has submitted the document to radiocarbon dating, ink analysis and spectral imaging and has declared it authentic.
The gospel of Judas is believed to be the work of gnostic Christians, a stream of Christian thinking declared heretical by early church fathers. It is a companion text to ancient scriptures unearthed in 1945, which have formed the basis of some assertions in Dan Brown's controversial bestseller The Da Vinci Code.
Australian biblical scholars said the document would be likely to provide a window on early Christianity, but did not threaten Christian teachings because while it was old, it did not date to the time of the Bible's Gospels.
"The text bears witness that to some people Judas was a misunderstood character," said Dr Malcolm Choat, a specialist in early Christianity at Macquarie University. "It fills in the picture but it doesn't make the picture."
But the Coptic Orthodox Church dismissed the document as "non-Christian babbling resulting from a group of people trying to create a false 'amalgam' between the Greek mythology and Far East religions with Christianity … They were written by a group of people who were aliens to the main Christian stream of the early Christianity," the church's theological leader, Metropolitan Bishoy, told the Herald.
"These texts are neither reliable nor accurate Christian texts, as they are historically and logically alien to the main Christian thinking and philosophy of the early and present Christians."
The Judas gospel is a third or fourth century Coptic manuscript discovered in the desert near El Minya, Egypt, in the 1970s. It was sold to a dealer in illicit antiquities and languished in a safe deposit box in the US before falling into the hands of a Swiss foundation.
The Bible says Judas betrayed Jesus to the Romans for a purse of 30 pieces of silver in the Garden of Gethsemane. He later hung himself.
According to limited extracts of the gospel of Judas offered to the Herald, Jesus explains Judas his role in the crucifixion: "You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me."
In other key passages released to the public, Jesus confides: "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom. It is possible for you to reach it, but you will grieve a great deal."
For his role Judas would be despised by the other disciples: "You will be cursed by the other generations and you will come to rule them." The gospel ends: "They [the arresting party] approached Judas and said to him. 'What are you doing? You are Jesus's disciple'. Judas answered them as they wished. And he received some money and handed over to him.
As well as the gospel of Judas, the newly discovered 66-page document also contained a text titled James, a letter of Peter to Philip, and a fragment of a fourth text scholars are provisionally calling Book of Allogenes.

mazza

as believer of god has already mentioned--these gospels are false

they are known as the gnostic gospels, written by heretics and we DO NOT believe in it

pope shenouda has made it clear in various of his sermons about historical issues concerning the bible and church

acopt

Hello,

Check this thread too.. hardyakka posted a good link:
http://tasbeha.org/content/community/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=3615;boardseen=1

And thanks for those verses esakla23

matt88

ok, i just wanted to let you guys know that i just watched the national geographics special on "the gospel of judas".. I mean i didnt watch it with the intent of being convinced or anything, but rather because i was interested as the text is coptic, and to do with egypt. If you watch it from that point of view it is fine, i mean you may learn a bit on how they put ancient documents togethor and so on. Also, there are a few segments that they film inside a coptic church, coptic priests, and even for a fleeting moment there is a picture of baba kyrillos :) that can be seen. However, the documentary is a waste of time for its claims - they are groundless.. Furthermore, there is a considerable emphasis placed on the early church vilifying jews and so on. I mean its like they were blaming christians for the holocaust, because hitler was affected by one play of christ's suffering. They also true and claim that it wasnt jews that killed christ, rather it was the romans - this is only true to a small degree, as it was ultimately jewish pressure of the day that led to the crucification of Jesus Christ. All in all, i would advise you to not bother about watching if you havent seen it.. One other point, is that in the credits, the names are clearly jewish and so there is certainly an agenda in place to discredit christ, and make it seem that the church isnt in unity.. Rabana Maak

egyptiankrkr

thanks everyone
god be with you,
egyptiankrkr

p.s: if anyone has more opinions pleaaaaaaaaaaaaze reply

nene0587

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egyptiankrkr

i would lik to know why nene107?
that is if you don't mind??

nene0587

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mazza

I found this article written by his Imminence Metrapolitan Bishoy, I'm sure it will answer everyone's questions concerning the Gospel of Judas and the Gnostic gospels,

http://www.coptic.org.au/downloads/Q&A Linda Morris SMH 6March 06.pdf

Unknown

we had a discussion about that in a sermon at church. we only believe in the four gospels so none of this could be true. and it couldn't've been written by judas CAUSE he killed himself.



love lots,
CopticChica21

Unknown

According to carbon-dating the document is 130-170 AD. Judas killed himself before the crucifixion. We know this because the Gospels tell us this (all four Evangelists wouldn't lie.)

I read the gospel of Judas (English translantion). It's short and it is actually very ridiculous. Jesus Christ is always laughing at his peers and useless nonsense like that. Don't pay any attention to it because there is some blasphemy in it.

It is written by a group of gnostic copts (type "Gnostic" on wikipedia.) Gnostics are those who believe that they are given a secret knowledge given from above so they write documents like this. They were not devout copts.

StVictor

According to carbon-dating the document is 130-170 AD. Judas killed himself before the crucifixion. We know this because the Gospels tell us this (all four Evangelists wouldn't lie.)

I read the gospel of Judas (English translantion). It's short and it is actually very ridiculous. Jesus Christ is always laughing at his peers and useless nonsense like that. Don't pay any attention to it because there is some blasphemy in it.

It is written by a group of gnostic copts (type "Gnostic" on wikipedia.) Gnostics are those who believe that they are given a secret knowledge given from above so they write documents like this. They were not devout copts.

mazza

im not joking guys, click on the link i provided above.

Sayedna answered this issue so wisely

joeg

hey guys,,, seeing as Judas hanged himself after betryaing our Lord, when did he get round to writing this so called gospel of his? Food for Thought. :)

mazza

that is such a good question hahahahhahah i never thought of that

clever thinking josephgabriel ;)

Unknown

[quote author=CopticChica21 link=board=12;threadid=3612;start=15#msg53039 date=1145806637]
we had a discussion about that in a sermon at church. we only believe in the four gospels so none of this could be true. and it couldn't've been written by judas CAUSE he killed himself.



love lots,
CopticChica21


Yes, Our priest here, had a huge sermon, how would his so called gospel be written if he wasn't around to write it, just answer me that, he commited suicide, so absolutely no information is accurate or can be accurate, like for Wegener's theory, he had great evidence, but still the scientists rejected it because he had no evidence provided for a certain question, even though he was right, but still take off the he was right part, and that's how I compare it, and it can't be true at all!

Forever,
Coptic Servent

boulest

Fact or Fiction

It did not take our Coptic church long to provide detailed information and complete in depth answers to uncover the truth about this issue. Please visit copticchurch.net for more details.

Bespetna

I heard about that on the History Channel.

kokiie

Wow guys, I didn't even know there were other Gospels..

Unknown

Throughout history, there were many books allegedly written by the Apostles and pushed by people against sound christian faith. They tried to call these gospels but they are not so. They were written to fight faith, to force proofs of gnostic ideas and heresies or to deceipt the faithful for authority and power, to control them and make them their followers.

I had a lengthy talk with a non christian person who strongly insisted and repeated that there is a fifth gospel we should know because it contained text dropped from other gospels! It was called Barnaba's gospel (corrected). After that, I read it was written around year 1400 AD and was full of nonsense.

Bespetna

I heard about this. It was on eather the Discovery or the History channel. I only beleve in the four gosples.