His Holiness Pope Shenouda the Third...........

JeanPaulMarkos

Heyy People..

I was wondering why we are calling our Pope
Pope Shenouda the [shadow=red,left]Third[/shadow]...???

I never heard about a pope who was called Shenouda
except Our current Pope... :-\

I checked it at the list of the Popes after [coptic]Eu,ec[/coptic]
and as I expected I didn't find any one..
Sooo Whyy Is he called the Third..?? 

GBU,
Your Brother in Christ..

jydeacon

here is the list from Wikipedia, although i don't know how relieable it is, Pope Shenoda I is 55 on the list and Pope Shenouda II is 65 and obviously HH Pope Shenouda III is 117
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Coptic_Popes

JeanPaulMarkos

I got here the list from 5edmet el shamaas
of ''Gam3eyet Nahdet el Kana2es el Qebteya el Orthodoxia''
And I'm used to read it from deferent books every Holy Liturgy
and I never found it..

Nr. 55 is Pope [coptic]Cenou;iou =a[/coptic]
Nr. 65 is Pope [coptic]Cenou;iou =b[/coptic]
Wait..!! :P
LoooL..!! In arabic is wrote down that [coptic]Cenou;iou[/coptic]
is Shenouda..!!  ;D hahaha..

I'm sorry people...!! My arabic isn't that good..:$

Sorryyy....(A)

jydeacon

[coptic]Cenou;iou[/coptic] is not shenouda, [coptic]Senou][/coptic] is Shenouda, in fact i don't even think that is a real word in coptic so either there is two names that have the same meaning or else you Khedmit el shamas is wrong

JeanPaulMarkos

I know [coptic]Senou]i[/coptic] is Shenouda..
I don't think this 5idmet el shamaas can be wrong..
I'll ask some more people about it and we'll wait for more
explanation from others..:)

Unknown

Check this out: http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/1388

And as jydeacon said the first Shenouti was number 55, and the second number 65. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

minatasgeel

[quote author=Anba Bishoy link=topic=5998.msg80081#msg80081 date=1197066652]
Check this out: http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/1388

And as jydeacon said the first Shenouti was number 55, and the second number 65. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)


actually this is the right one when you compare to the list on wikipedia.

jydeacon

Yeah i'm sure, Wikipedia is not a relieable source at all, it was the first link i saw and i was not aware we had a list here on the site

JeanPaulMarkos

So [coptic]Cenou;iou[/coptic] has the same meaning as [coptic]Senou]i[/coptic]??

[coptic]Cenou;iou[/coptic] cannot be wrong cause I read it in many books..
Actually in every book.. I haven't seen [coptic]Senou]i[/coptic] before..

Can any one look in a ''Big'' 5olagy and see if
the numbers 55 and 65 are [coptic]Senou]i[/coptic]..

I think [coptic]Cenou;iou[/coptic] is exactly the same as [coptic]Senou]i[/coptic]

Holmes

[coptic]+ Iryny nem `hmot>[/coptic]

Here is a list of the Coptic Patriarchs starting with St. Mark.

Holmes

[coptic]+ Iryny nem `hmot>[/coptic]

I just realized how redundant I was.  Well, despite that, instead of erasing it, I figure I'll add one more to my post count.  700 posts baby!  :D

minatasgeel

[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=5998.msg80107#msg80107 date=1197147937]
[coptic]+ Iryny nem `hmot>[/coptic]

I just realized how redundant I was.  Well, despite that, instead of erasing it, I figure I'll add one more to my post count.  700 posts baby!  :D


lol....adn we were blaming Vassilios for reaching 1000

JeanPaulMarkos

Well Peepz..

I remembered that my me3alim told me once
that all these name's are in Greek so I think
[coptic]Cenou;iou[/coptic] is exactly the same as [coptic]Senou]i[/coptic]
bud in Greek....

Right..??

Severus

Well, the Greek version, [coptic] Cenou;iou [/coptic] would roughly be 'Cenothio'. Obviously, this is not the name 'Shenoute' that we know...

JeanPaulMarkos

[quote author=Severus link=topic=5998.msg80159#msg80159 date=1197262361]
Well, the Greek version, [coptic] Cenou;iou [/coptic] would roughly be 'Cenothio'. Obviously, this is not the name 'Shenoute' that we know...


why isn't it the same and how are you so sure that it is not the same..??
What is your source..??

Severus

Look up Greek letters and what they sound like in English, and then you will be able to see where I am coming from.

JeanPaulMarkos

[quote author=Severus link=topic=5998.msg80173#msg80173 date=1197318707]
Look up Greek letters and what they sound like in English, and then you will be able to see where I am coming from.


I Don't really get you..
[coptic]Ge`wrgioc[/coptic] ( Ge-orge-os ) is Joris of Jorik in Dutch......
It sounds TOTALY different bud it's exactly the came...