Hello,
Can someone explain to me how baptism saves us??
We inherited a corrupt nature from our parents, who in turn thank Adam and Eve.
Then Our Lord, in the fullness of time united His Divinity with Our Humanity. How does that save our corrupt nature?? How does that correct the fallen human nature and revive it??
Many thanks,
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Hello,
Can someone explain to me how baptism saves us??
We inherited a corrupt nature from our parents, who in turn thank Adam and Eve.
Then Our Lord, in the fullness of time united His Divinity with Our Humanity. How does that save our corrupt nature?? How does that correct the fallen human nature and revive it??
Many thanks,
first not ONLY baptism saves us.
second, the concept of baptism is to become part of Christ's people. You die with Him, and live with Him again.
Being baptized doesn't mean your saved unless you die right after(after being you've taken communion as well). Its just the first step towards salvation. Before the baptism, abouna prays the liturgy of the water(this is an actually liturgy) and asks the Holy Spirit to come and sanctify the water so that whoever is baptized in it is purified from this corrupt nature. Then after the newly baptized is chrismated and receives the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The truth is we don't know how this truley happens, we just know it does, thats why its a sacrement in our church(which means a mystery)
You don't suppose that His Life giving body actually gives us Life? Im in no way saying that in a sacastic way habibi ya JY, im trying to understand how we are saved from corruption?
Just so you help me answer this point fully, let me elaborate on the question more:
How does Christ's birth, death and resurrection give us eternal life? How does all this correct the damage that sin caused when it entered Adam and Eve and changed our natures???
There are many questions also I'd like answered, but they will be given when these points are addressed.
Guys,
Just so you help me answer this point fully, let me elaborate on the question more:
How does Christ's birth, death and resurrection give us eternal life? How does all this correct the damage that sin caused when it entered Adam and Eve and changed our natures???
There are many questions also I'd like answered, but they will be given when these points are addressed.
When our father Adam fell into sin, God at that point decided that we would no longer have eternal life as punishment. He required blood to be shed in order to bring us back to the same level as before. So, because of His love for us, our Lord decided to pay the dues that God the Father required in order for us to have eternal life again.
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Being baptized doesn't mean your saved unless you die right after(after being you've taken communion as well). Its just the first step towards salvation. Before the baptism, abouna prays the liturgy of the water(this is an actually liturgy) and asks the Holy Spirit to come and sanctify the water so that whoever is baptized in it is purified from this corrupt nature. Then after the newly baptized is chrismated and receives the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The truth is we don't know how this truley happens, we just know it does, thats why its a sacrement in our church(which means a mystery)
You don't suppose that His Life giving body actually gives us Life? Im in no way saying that in a sacastic way habibi ya JY, im trying to understand how we are saved from corruption?
you are not ready to take the life-giving Body before being worthy (in general). that's why the sacraments have an order. You are saved by becoming part of Christ's people. Which then brings you to the forgiveness of sins (confession), and the life-giving body.
it's the act of belonging to Christ which brings you to salvation from corruption.
it doesn't literally save you....if soo, what's the point of doing many other things we.
it's the act of belonging to Christ which brings you to salvation from corruption.
That's very true... it makes sense what u are saying, but how is baptism making us "belong" to Christ?? How??
And also, in baptism, our natures do not change, so how is it we can be corrupt still after belonging to Christ???
[quote author=jydeacon link=topic=6987.msg93352#msg93352 date=1217362325]
Being baptized doesn't mean your saved unless you die right after(after being you've taken communion as well). Its just the first step towards salvation. Before the baptism, abouna prays the liturgy of the water(this is an actually liturgy) and asks the Holy Spirit to come and sanctify the water so that whoever is baptized in it is purified from this corrupt nature. Then after the newly baptized is chrismated and receives the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The truth is we don't know how this truley happens, we just know it does, thats why its a sacrement in our church(which means a mystery)
You don't suppose that His Life giving body actually gives us Life? Im in no way saying that in a sacastic way habibi ya JY, im trying to understand how we are saved from corruption?
All of it together is Life giving, you can't have one without the other, if you aren't baptized then you can't have communion. Consider baptism the door to christianity, once you are through that door, then all things have been opened to you if you chose them.
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[quote author=jydeacon link=topic=6987.msg93352#msg93352 date=1217362325]
Being baptized doesn't mean your saved unless you die right after(after being you've taken communion as well). Its just the first step towards salvation. Before the baptism, abouna prays the liturgy of the water(this is an actually liturgy) and asks the Holy Spirit to come and sanctify the water so that whoever is baptized in it is purified from this corrupt nature. Then after the newly baptized is chrismated and receives the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The truth is we don't know how this truley happens, we just know it does, thats why its a sacrement in our church(which means a mystery)
You don't suppose that His Life giving body actually gives us Life? Im in no way saying that in a sacastic way habibi ya JY, im trying to understand how we are saved from corruption?
All of it together is Life giving, you can't have one without the other, if you aren't baptized then you can't have communion. Consider baptism the door to christianity, once you are through that door, then all things have been opened to you if you chose them.
OK. I will
1. Faith
2. Baptism
3. chrism (Holy Spirit)
4. repentance and confession
5. communion
6. struggle
7. good actions
these seven steps are the road to salvation... but if you say baptisim is salvation, then you are at err.
why is Christ called the "lamb"?! a sacrifice
in the old testament, the animal is to be presented at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the LORD. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the LORD. Then the anointed priest shall take some of the bull's blood and carry it into the Tent of Meeting. He is to dip his finger into the blood and sprinkle some of it seven times before the LORD, in front of the curtain of the sanctuary. The priest shall then put some of the blood on the horns of the altar of fragrant incense that is before the LORD in the Tent of Meeting. The rest of the bull's blood he shall pour out at the base of the altar of burnt offering at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. He shall remove all the fat from the bull of the sin offering—the fat that covers the inner parts or is connected to them, both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the covering of the liver, which he will remove with the kidneys- just as the fat is removed from the ox sacrificed as a fellowship offering. Then the priest shall burn them on the altar of burnt offering. 11 But the hide of the bull and all its flesh, as well as the head and legs, the inner parts and offal- that is, all the rest of the bull—he must take outside the camp to a place ceremonially clean, where the ashes are thrown, and burn it in a wood fire on the ash heap.
so there is blood that is needed... if we kill every animal it wont cover our sins, and the sin done, and the ones to come! so it has to be ultimate, not ending or beginning, without limit! hmmm?! who could that be?! he has to be pure, without sin! hmmm who is without sin? and he has to be of the same nature of mankind, of which he's gonna save!
When we are born new, we become part of God's people, we are adopted as sons in Christ, who alone is Son in Nature - through the work of the H. Spirit during the sacrament.
last point is that we are given remission of sin. St Paul explains this as follows:
Romans 6:3-11