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British Orthodox Liturgy
Does anyone know where I can get a video of the British Orthodox Liturgy? I really want to watch one.
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Does anyone know where I can get a video of the British Orthodox Liturgy? I really want to watch one.
i second that....i really want to hear one rather then see....like a full liturgy.
I suggest that seeing things on Youtube, although better than nothiing, is no substitute for actual bodily presence. Obviously difficult if you live in the USA or Australia etc.
In London there are occasional Coptic liturgies in English so I'm sure they take place abroad.
I don't know what I'm rambling on about so I'll leave you to those who know better.
Father Peter
We aren't talking about Coptic Orthodox Churches in the UK. They pray the same liturgy as we do here in the US. The only difference is their funny English accents ;D :P
This thread is speaking about the Liturgy of the British Orthodox Church, which is a daughter church of the Patriarchate of Alexandria. As mentioned before they use the Liturgy of St. James.
Sorry if I'm repeating known knowledge, I just felt people were getting confused and its better to clear things up :)
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I think we have to clarify something.
We aren't talking about Coptic Orthodox Churches in the UK. They pray the same liturgy as we do here in the US. The only difference is their funny English accents ;D :P
This thread is speaking about the Liturgy of the British Orthodox Church, which is a daughter church of the Patriarchate of Alexandria. As mentioned before they use the Liturgy of St. James.
Sorry if I'm repeating known knowledge, I just felt people were getting confused and its better to clear things up :)
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i get it know ... ;D ;D
and we (british) have funny accents!!
LOL
when a british orthodox priest does part of the coptic liturgy, though, he tends not to sing it as the tunes are very different and it is really difficult to learn.
eg i have an idea of most of the tunes after 2 years (1 year and 364 days to be exact!) of being coptic and more years of regular visits, but imagine u grew up in another church and then only went to a coptic church a few times, u wouldn't know the tunes.
The Orthodox Church has always preserved the same faith, but it is necessary that the Orthodox Faith be practiced and inculturated in a manner which is part of each local culture. This is why the Coptic Orthodox Church does not use Aramaic and worship according to the Syrian rite.
Father Peter
The British Orthodox Church is only a diocese especially for British people, and only has a diocesan bishop.
It is not autocepalous or autonomous, though of course as a diocese under a Metropolitan there is the usual freedom for our bishop to guide the diocese in his care but always in communion with his brother bishops in the Holy Synod.
The French Orthodox Church is only a diocese especially for French people, and only as a diocesan bishop.
There is neither a need nor a desire for any sort of independent existence. I would rather expect that as the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate engages in more and more mission there might well be the development of other local dioceses in the same way around the world, all finding a proper structure within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate. This is the historical relationship which the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate had with many other smaller local Churches, including those which no longer exist.
And it is also the case that within the Eastern Orthodox communion there are and have been more local communities than Patriarchs. The Church of Estonia is a local Church but it is not a patriarchate. The Church of Finland is a local Church but it is not a patriarchate. And there are many other examples.
Father Peter
The Syrians are one of the ancient 5 patriarchates, but the Nubians, and extinct Church, did not have their own patrirach. Nor did the Ethiopians until a few decades ago. For more than a thousand years the Ethiopian Church was dependent on the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate.
If there is no need for a patriarch then history does not show any need for additional ones.
The BOC uses the same rites as the Coptic Orthodox, except for the liturgy. But I don't see that matters at all. The Church is not a matter of rites, it is a matter of life in Christ, and this is beyond rites and languages and is to do with unity in Christ.
Father Peter
the icons are similar, even those of the british saints are in a similar style.
u will see saint antony, a photo of baba shenouda and the vestments are the same.
it's good for us to share the same authority structure, otherwise the british metropolitan would be alone instead of having great relationships with the coptic bishops.
also we copts learn a lot from the british orthodox church, and we can work closely together without having to pause for permission from a patriarch.
i don't any patriarchs personally, but i believe they are fairly busy people, and us being together means that we are automatically brothers without having to arrange official communication between our leaders in order to work together.
our lovely patriarch supports the british orthodox clergy in their mission to teach the good news of our Saviour, and has permitted the use of an ancient oriental orthodox liturgy (saint james), which shares many aspects with the liturgies of saints basil, gregory and cyril. the censing is the same, the agpeya prayers are the same, the theology is the same.
so we are like two brothers sharing rooms in the same house. each room is a little different, but there is no reason for either brother to move out because they love to spend time together.