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You should be proud to be Orthodox!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10774706
This is scandalous! I've even seen something just as bad in the Roman Catholic Church. Some priest gave the Body of Christ to a protestant woman to distribute to everyone else.
This is scandalous! I've even seen something just as bad in the Roman Catholic Church. Some priest gave the Body of Christ to a protestant woman to distribute to everyone else.
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I think that's the bigger problem.
I posted it to highlight a few issues:
Such lack of respect for what is Holy is making many anglicans look to more orthodox churches.
Some have gone to the catholics, and some have come to the Orthodox. However, the way I see it, most (from both sides) will come to the orthodox.
no one should be proud to be orthodox because of this article...why do we expose the faults of others when God can easily expose our faults...we know what that priest did was wrong, now what?
Because this is the reason why we are Orthodox - because our Church does not give to dogs what is Holy. Its unthinkable ANYTHING like this happening in our Church.
Now, our church is not perfect, but the way we treat our sacraments are. Its not perfect in terms of perhaps domestic issues. But it is perfect in the administration of sacraments. This IS Orthodoxy: The administration, the attitude and the respect towards the Church sacraments is perfect. This is not man-made.
Problems arise in the Church perhaps due to domestic issues (a bishop may not get along with another bishop, or a priest may not have been wise with respect to how he treats someone in the Church) - but regardless - never would there be anything remotely like this happening.
This is why I AM orthodox!
I myself was invited to attend an Ecumenical Mass at the Roman Catholic Church in paris. They invited an Orthodox Christian (ME), a protestant Christian, an Anglican, a baptist etc, to pray for the unity of the Churches.
The Roman Catholic priest asked me, at the end of the mass: "Would you like to distribute the Body of Christ"? I said "Father, I am Orthodox, and above all, this should be done by you." - so, guess what he did??
He (the RC Priest), gave the Body of Christ to the protestant woman to distribute. She doesn't believe it was the Body of Christ. And all this was to make us "feel at home".
This would NEVER happen in an orthodox Church. It is ironic that after attending this mass that was directed at Ecumenical Unity, I felt that I really did not want to be part of the Roman Catholic Church. I have NEVER seen anything in my life as disrespectful as this in a Church.
That is why I am Orthodox, and the point is this Sod:
Others think like me also. Others who happen to be Anglican, Catholic, Baptist think like me also, and they will have NO choice BUT to become Orthodox.
We expect there to be problems in ANY Church - sure! Problems of people not getting along, foolish clergy perhaps.. but even if a clergy in the Orthodox Church was stupid - let's say, his stupidity would not let him disrespect or compromise anyway the respect due to the Holy Sacraments simply because we follow certain unbreakable rules of protocol.
An orthodox priest, during the Administration of any of the 7 sacraments, CANNOT just do whatever he wants... or say whatever he wants, or behave in a way that he wants (no matter if his intentions are good or bad). He MUST follow the protocol of the Church. WORD FOR WORD.
Every mass, baptism, marriage, confession etc that I have attended has been EXACTLY like the one before it. No change. Whether in Egypt, Canada, America, Belgium, France, England, Ireland, - you name it! All the priests were different. Some priests, I didnt get along with, some I did.. but ultimately, the sacraments were 100% the same. The way they were treated was EXACTLY the same. The words used, the protocol, the gestures were 100% the same as those done anywhere else.
The ONLY difference is that perhaps ONE priest may decide to include the Gregorian liturgy (or parts of it) during the Liturgy of Saint Basil, and MAYBE a deacon MAY feel tempted to sing some doxology that is rare for a saint that he happens to love, but that's about it.
Outside the scope of administration of the sacraments, the priest can indulge in any folly he may wish, but that's fine - because that's in his own private life (if that's the case!).
I remember one priest (Abouna Daniel), he ran his own prayer meeting, and it was charismatic. THE PRAYER MEETING! not the mass, not the liturgy, not a baptism, not a marriage.. A PRAYER MEETING!! - He was excommunicated in a new york minute!! lol
HAHAH
I mean, YES YOU SHOULD BE GLAD, if not proud to be orthodox!! Its a huge reassurance and blessing.
otherwise, may i say that none of those who have quoted verse 7 have justified their interpretation of the text. can anyone explain what is in view when it says 'what is holy' and who are 'the dogs'?..
it is very easy to get carried away with the hypocritical impulse disclosed in verse 4 (that is just before v.7) and start putting everyone right ...
I don't know what that priest was thinking, it clearly says in Matthew 7:6, "do not give what is holy to the dogs". ;D ;D ;D
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i can see a profound spirit of judgement in this post. i think before we quote matt.7:6 we should bare in mind the first verse of the very same chapter: 'judge not that you be not judged'! how easy is to be selective in what part of the scripture we prefer to obey!...
otherwise, may i say that none of those who have quoted verse 7 have justified their interpretation of the text. can anyone explain what is in view when it says 'what is holy' and who are 'the dogs'?..
it is very easy to get carried away with the hypocritical impulse disclosed in verse 4 (that is just before v.7) and start putting everyone right ...
I put those 3 very wide laughing faces for a reason. I usually don't do that after quoting a verse from the Bible. I apologize if my joke was not apparent (or funny) and I also apologize for joking with scripture.
What does it matter? First off communion is symbolic to anglicans, and second the "priest" is a woman! It is a double whammy! I am officially no longer shocked by the actions of protestants!
You shouldn't be suprised because that is what the catholics do also, so really that is not shocking at all that they do that
I don't know what that priest was thinking, it clearly says in Matthew 7:6, "do not give what is holy to the dogs". ;D ;D ;D
Apparently, that priest didn't read that part of the bible or only took one part of the verse and ignored the rest. That would be typical of a non-orthodox person like the heresy of Arius.
Apparently, that priest didn't read that part of the bible or only took one part of the verse and ignored the rest. That would be typical of a non-orthodox person like the heresy of Arius.
"Many times have I spoken and regretted it, but never have I regretted my silence." -St. Arsenius
Typically it is advised that you don't make posts on a thread that no one has responded to for over a month unless you have something very important and new to contribute, or want to "bump" it and reopen it to responses. Otherwise people will get mad at re-reading a year-old thread instead of something new.
i wold like to point out this is a discussion called " You should be proud to be orthodox"....
and its under the NON ORTHODOX INQUIRIES...
LOOOOOOL....way to go guys ;D