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I think this article I have just come across is a good place to start when considering gender and sexuality in general. Perhaps from this perspective we can then move forward and consider what this says about women and men in Church and in worship, …
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Good point... Or maybe even an old poster from the site Prayers The Least
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Bump! Hoping others have liked this. I also read the other articles under "Surprised by Scripture" and enjoyed them. Hoping others have a chance to look. Seems to be well grounded in the fathers :D Prayers The Least
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There are a few commentaries on Ecclesiastes out there. One easily purchased is by St. John Chrysostom here: https://www.amazon.com/St-John-Chrysostom-Commentary-Commentaries/dp/1885652771/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526217927&sr=8-1&keywo…
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Mabsoota, I know you would love His Eminence Metropolitan Paulos Mar Gregorios as well :). I think we have found you two new best friends!
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St. Gregory of Nyssa is a rather explicit abolitionist, Commenting on Ecclesiastes 2:7a "Slaves and servants I have purchased, and home-born slaves also I have begotten" St. Gregory of Nyssa rather adamantly responds: "'Slaves and servants', say…
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I am not simply dismissing this in disgust, myself. I am simply highlighting that this was a local practice that developed that lack some proper theological basis and/or elaboration. It is a symptoms of a more systemic syndrome. Glory to God thoug…
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.... Thank you for your well thought reply. I see you are taking the approach of just not replying to legitimate propositions and are just comfortable doing whatever it may be that YOU see fit. Peace
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Its interesting that you think I need to understand canon law and what "governs" the Orthodox Church. Which canons do you refer to? Any canons? All canons? Only canons of the Alexandrian patriarch even though the Church surely consists of all her pa…
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A canon in the 10th century does not exactly argue for any real historical basis. All it argues for is that the 10th century Coptic Church in its own socio-cultural context decided to arbitrarily forbid the making of the Offering at home and/or by w…
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This 'rule' is a made up useless idea. If, and we know this to be the case, the early church used to have those individuals offering the Bread and Wine and Oil (amongst other liturgical items) at the liturgy after having made them at home, then th…
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Read The Roots of Christian Mysticism by Olivier Clement Or Orthodoxy by Paul Evdokimov. I think roots in my favourite of the two but they are extraordinarily profound works :)
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Sorry about the big space in the first post, I cant seem to edit it! Prayers
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As for the discussion of Job 14, I believe that is a much maligned text that is horrendously misunderstood. Italian scholar Pier Franco Beatrice writes, "In the course of the fourth century, Athanasius gets irked with certain unspecified heretics, …
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This whole issue being centered around sin or not seems to be 'missing the mark' as it doesnt seem like this was a particular patristic concern. I mean more or less the comments being made regarding Job 14. First, St. Athanasius says: …
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+1, Great post :)
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It would seem the Septuagint is 3, the Masoretic reads 40. I think the 3 makes more sense in the context of the story than the 40 would anyways. Additionally our own 3 day fast is typically referred to as the "fast of the Ninevites". It seems someo…
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Oh grow up, Rem. Cyril's thoughts were beautiful reflections about the place of beauty in liturgy and how our sometimes mechanical rites lead to a desire to speed up. His comment was not immature nor off topic. Cyril I welcome and love reading you…
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"Did God become Man so that man may become god?! If these words were taken literally, the purpose of the incarnation would be the deification of man!! But it is well known that God became a Man to redeem man, not to deify him." Page 18 of Man’s Deif…
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NVM i fixed the formatting prior^
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I wish to simply leave a few examples here for thought, - “It is impossible that any of the Fathers has ever advocated deification of man: If any author makes such an allegation, it will be because either he has not understood well what that holy F…
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Asking your prayers, everyone :) @coptic mission, Please do not call my father, St. Athanasius the Apostolic a hindu. And while there please also do not call my father St. Gregory the Theologian a "westerner" Asking your prayers, everyone
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Agreed with mina^ As per normal
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If we keep up this failed experiment, this notion that "saying everything in Coptic makes it holier because its somehow a holier language or more rooted in something apostolic or more Christiany or because other people did it" I fear for what we hav…
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right... Because the fathers referred to themselves as "Coptic Orthodox" as opposed to the Orthodox Church of Alexandria. Identifying the place where Orthodoxy had arisen as opposed to the ethnic heritage of a particular people...
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I am not going to respond in this conversation but that without love we are nothing and have done nothing. To make unfounded comments such as "the patriarch, his mistress" are comments lacking love. I say this regretfully as I do love Stavro. But I …
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Stavro, My dear brother. I say this out of affection and love but you sincerely lack love, my brother. Forgive me. Pray for me
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My posts are coming up weird, my apologies for that. prayers please
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It is undeniable that Christ saves us by assuming all that is broken in our humanity. Where humanity was lacking the relationship with God to make it Immortal and Incorruptible, The Logos enters into THAT humanity to bring it to life again. Indeed S…
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Hey theophilus, If i may, i will offer a few musings to the matter here. We in the Orthodox Church do not believe in "original sin" as the theological doctrine it has become (surely this does not mean that we dont believe that there was a FIRST sin,…