[quote author=kerestina link=topic=5383.msg71901#msg71901 date=1180968307] i agree with u EpNomos EnTaio...... dun worry i think ur personally is hectic lol
how is tha wife sinning if she doesnt wanna sleep wif her man?? jus becoz they need to sbmit to each otha dun mean that the wife has no voice
ill outline my point better later
You obviously don't know the Bible - do u?
{1 Cor 7:3-5 RSV}
The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does. Do not refuse one another [or to put it more bluntly, as the Greek actually does and as we read in the King James Version, "Defraud ye not one the other"] except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control.
This verse is telling you that YOU have to give your spouse his conjugal rights. What are his conjugal rights?? SEX!!! THen Saint paul goes on to make this REALLY clear :"Do not refuse one another sex"!!!
So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin.
Don't worry Kerestina, u don't have to refuse, just stay argumentative, and he'll just stay away from u.
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71902#msg71902 date=1180972032] So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin. i don't agree it's fully a sin. if the woman refuse, than she's just controling the man's body as it says in the verse u listed. u don't have to always want to have sex ya3ny. both have to agree on it since they control each other body.
Mina, If a man wants to have sex with his wife, and she doesnt want to, and as a result he is frustrated - she's made him stumble. Its very serious.
What do u mean "Controlling the man's body".... its not for her to control, its for them to give their bodies to one another. If they BOTH consent that they will abstain from sex, fine. If one doesn't consent, and suffers because his/her spouse has refused the other sex, then it will be a lot of problems.
Saint Paul's verses are not talking about controlling the man's body. They are talking about giving each other their conjugal rights: SEX!!!!
What's wrong Mina!? U just keep on arguing.. before,u were arguing , but u made sense...
[quote author=minagir link=topic=5383.msg71907#msg71907 date=1180973861] [quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71902#msg71902 date=1180972032] So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin. i don't agree it's fully a sin. if the woman refuse, than she's just controling the man's body as it says in the verse u listed. u don't have to always want to have sex ya3ny. both have to agree on it since they control each other body.
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71902#msg71902 date=1180972032] You obviously don't know the Bible - do u?
well then pray for me..........pray that God will make me as wise and knowledgeable as u
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71902#msg71902 date=1180972032] This verse is telling you that YOU have to give your spouse his conjugal rights. What are his conjugal rights?? SEX!!! THen Saint paul goes on to make this REALLY clear :"Do not refuse one another sex"!!!
So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin.
Don't worry Kerestina, u don't have to refuse, just stay argumentative, and he'll just stay away from u.
how is refusing it a sin?? doesnt respect come into play? respecting each others bodies and needs???
i may be argumentative, at least i admit that unlike sum ppl
1 Corinthians 7:3-5 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71909#msg71909 date=1180974164] Mina, If a man wants to have sex with his wife, and she doesnt want to, and as a result he is frustrated - she's made him stumble. Its very serious. What do u mean "Controlling the man's body".... its not for her to control, its for them to give their bodies to one another. If they BOTH consent that they will abstain from sex, fine. If one doesn't consent, and suffers because his/her spouse has refused the other sex, then it will be a lot of problems.
both of them have to understand each responsibilty. like again i have said before they each control each other body. it says in the verse above...doesn't it. if one just wants have sex not considering the other, than that's a sin on him.
Saint Paul's verses are not talking about controlling the man's body. They are talking about giving each other their conjugal rights: SEX!!!!
yes...but he still said they each own each other body. that mean both of them have to agree to have sex to actually have it.
What's wrong Mina!? U just keep on arguing.. before,u were arguing , but u made sense...
In the old testament a certain person, im too lazy to find it right now, decided to withdraw before the climax of intercourse. God took his life for this sin. Somebody please find it for me and post it here, because it seems like many of you are making up things without reference.
Mina, THe word "control" here is not correct. It sounds like I force someone. THis is not the right way. Saint Paul uses the good word" AFFECTION". We give our bodies to our spouses and render them the affection they are due as our spouse.
Period.
If your wife decides not to give u that affection, its wrong. Its a sin!! If your wife does not want to sleep with u, its a big sin. Bas, if u have a bath, perhaps she'll be OK? Im not sure? lol [quote author=minagir link=topic=5383.msg71913#msg71913 date=1180974895] 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71909#msg71909 date=1180974164] Mina, If a man wants to have sex with his wife, and she doesnt want to, and as a result he is frustrated - she's made him stumble. Its very serious. What do u mean "Controlling the man's body".... its not for her to control, its for them to give their bodies to one another. If they BOTH consent that they will abstain from sex, fine. If one doesn't consent, and suffers because his/her spouse has refused the other sex, then it will be a lot of problems.
both of them have to understand each responsibilty. like again i have said before they each control each other body. it says in the verse above...doesn't it. if one just wants have sex not considering the other, than that's a sin on him.
Saint Paul's verses are not talking about controlling the man's body. They are talking about giving each other their conjugal rights: SEX!!!!
yes...but he still said they each own each other body. that mean both of them have to agree to have sex to actually have it.
What's wrong Mina!? U just keep on arguing.. before,u were arguing , but u made sense...
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71917#msg71917 date=1180975959] Mina, THe word "control" here is not correct. It sounds like I force someone. THis is not the right way. Saint Paul uses the good word" AFFECTION". We give our bodies to our spouses and render them the affection they are due as our spouse.
Period.
If your wife decides not to give u that affection, its wrong. Its a sin!! If your wife does not want to sleep with u, its a big sin. Bas, if u have a bath, perhaps she'll be OK? Im not sure?
hhhmmmmmmm. isn't the word "control" there..........ur telling me it's wrong and it's there in the bible. and tell me, how is it a sin than Vassilios. if the spouse doesn't understand or respect the other decision, than its more towords lust....not a mariage relationship. please tell me how is it a sin.....or maybe Iqbal should tell me if he disagrees with me....or John....or Orthodox11....and wait who else..... oh yah,.....HizzChild
[quote author=davidschanter link=topic=5383.msg71916#msg71916 date=1180975825] In the old testament a certain person, im too lazy to find it right now, decided to withdraw before the climax of intercourse. God took his life for this sin. Somebody please find it for me and post it here, because it seems like many of you are making up things without reference.
if am not mistaken, that lead more towords masturbation.
Genesis 38:9 But Onan knew that the heir would not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in to his brother's wife, that he emitted on the ground, lest he should give an heir to his brother.
Comments
i agree with u EpNomos EnTaio...... dun worry i think ur personally is hectic lol
how is tha wife sinning if she doesnt wanna sleep wif her man?? jus becoz they need to sbmit to each otha dun mean that the wife has no voice
ill outline my point better later
You obviously don't know the Bible - do u?
{1 Cor 7:3-5 RSV} This verse is telling you that YOU have to give your spouse his conjugal rights. What are his conjugal rights?? SEX!!!
THen Saint paul goes on to make this REALLY clear :"Do not refuse one another sex"!!!
So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin.
Don't worry Kerestina, u don't have to refuse, just stay argumentative, and he'll just stay away from u.
So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin.
i don't agree it's fully a sin. if the woman refuse, than she's just controling the man's body as it says in the verse u listed. u don't have to always want to have sex ya3ny. both have to agree on it since they control each other body.
If a man wants to have sex with his wife, and she doesnt want to, and as a result he is frustrated - she's made him stumble. Its very serious.
What do u mean "Controlling the man's body".... its not for her to control, its for them to give their bodies to one another. If they BOTH consent that they will abstain from sex, fine. If one doesn't consent, and suffers because his/her spouse has refused the other sex, then it will be a lot of problems.
Saint Paul's verses are not talking about controlling the man's body. They are talking about giving each other their conjugal rights: SEX!!!!
What's wrong Mina!? U just keep on arguing.. before,u were arguing , but u made sense...
[quote author=minagir link=topic=5383.msg71907#msg71907 date=1180973861]
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71902#msg71902 date=1180972032]
So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin.
i don't agree it's fully a sin. if the woman refuse, than she's just controling the man's body as it says in the verse u listed. u don't have to always want to have sex ya3ny. both have to agree on it since they control each other body.
You obviously don't know the Bible - do u?
well then pray for me..........pray that God will make me as wise and knowledgeable as u
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71902#msg71902 date=1180972032]
This verse is telling you that YOU have to give your spouse his conjugal rights. What are his conjugal rights?? SEX!!!
THen Saint paul goes on to make this REALLY clear :"Do not refuse one another sex"!!!
So, refusing him sex is a sin!! UNLESS you are both in agreement for one reason: PRAYER. I.e. You BOTH wish to fast and pray for sometime - but both of you have to be in agreement.
If you refuse its a sin.
Don't worry Kerestina, u don't have to refuse, just stay argumentative, and he'll just stay away from u.
how is refusing it a sin?? doesnt respect come into play? respecting each others bodies and needs???
i may be argumentative, at least i admit that unlike sum ppl
Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71909#msg71909 date=1180974164]
Mina,
If a man wants to have sex with his wife, and she doesnt want to, and as a result he is frustrated - she's made him stumble. Its very serious.
What do u mean "Controlling the man's body".... its not for her to control, its for them to give their bodies to one another. If they BOTH consent that they will abstain from sex, fine. If one doesn't consent, and suffers because his/her spouse has refused the other sex, then it will be a lot of problems.
both of them have to understand each responsibilty. like again i have said before they each control each other body. it says in the verse above...doesn't it. if one just wants have sex not considering the other, than that's a sin on him.
yes...but he still said they each own each other body. that mean both of them have to agree to have sex to actually have it. lol, that's meeee.............
Somebody please find it for me and post it here, because it seems like many of you are making up things without reference.
THe word "control" here is not correct. It sounds like I force someone. THis is not the right way. Saint Paul uses the good word" AFFECTION". We give our bodies to our spouses and render them the affection they are due as our spouse.
Period.
If your wife decides not to give u that affection, its wrong. Its a sin!!
If your wife does not want to sleep with u, its a big sin.
Bas, if u have a bath, perhaps she'll be OK?
Im not sure?
lol
[quote author=minagir link=topic=5383.msg71913#msg71913 date=1180974895]
1 Corinthians 7:3-5
Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
[quote author=vassilios link=topic=5383.msg71909#msg71909 date=1180974164]
Mina,
If a man wants to have sex with his wife, and she doesnt want to, and as a result he is frustrated - she's made him stumble. Its very serious.
What do u mean "Controlling the man's body".... its not for her to control, its for them to give their bodies to one another. If they BOTH consent that they will abstain from sex, fine. If one doesn't consent, and suffers because his/her spouse has refused the other sex, then it will be a lot of problems.
both of them have to understand each responsibilty. like again i have said before they each control each other body. it says in the verse above...doesn't it. if one just wants have sex not considering the other, than that's a sin on him.
yes...but he still said they each own each other body. that mean both of them have to agree to have sex to actually have it. lol, that's meeee.............
Mina,
THe word "control" here is not correct. It sounds like I force someone. THis is not the right way. Saint Paul uses the good word" AFFECTION". We give our bodies to our spouses and render them the affection they are due as our spouse.
Period.
If your wife decides not to give u that affection, its wrong. Its a sin!!
If your wife does not want to sleep with u, its a big sin.
Bas, if u have a bath, perhaps she'll be OK?
Im not sure?
hhhmmmmmmm. isn't the word "control" there..........ur telling me it's wrong and it's there in the bible.
and tell me, how is it a sin than Vassilios. if the spouse doesn't understand or respect the other decision, than its more towords lust....not a mariage relationship.
please tell me how is it a sin.....or maybe Iqbal should tell me if he disagrees with me....or John....or Orthodox11....and wait who else..... oh yah,.....HizzChild
In the old testament a certain person, im too lazy to find it right now, decided to withdraw before the climax of intercourse. God took his life for this sin.
Somebody please find it for me and post it here, because it seems like many of you are making up things without reference.
if am not mistaken, that lead more towords masturbation.
Genesis 38:9
But Onan knew that the heir would not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in to his brother's wife, that he emitted on the ground, lest he should give an heir to his brother.
ok this thread might be getting inapropriate.
would that be for what i said...or for talking about sex and it's ways in marriage...!!!!